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Full Spectrum Cycling 331 – Part 2 – Jeremy Prach – Riverwest 24, Flat Out Friday and the Art of Building Something Real
Apr 23, 2026
Full Spectrum Cycling 331 – Part 2 – Jeremy Prach – Riverwest 24, Flat Out Friday and the Art of Building Something Real
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0:00
Hey, Sven, Full Spectrum Cycling. I've been working on show number 331 part two and continuing our conversation with Jeremy Prock.
0:10
In the second part of the show here, we get into talking more with Jeremy about what he's been up to, including the River West '24, his work with Milwaukee Public Schools, and Flat Out Friday.
0:23
I think you're gonna enjoy this. Sit back, have a beer, and check it out. Uh, well, I don't know, Jeremy. I mean, you've been very, very well, uh, you've been contributing- Well, I, I-...
0:35
and, and asking questions through the whole show, but, uh, I'd... Hear one- What are you doing day to day, man? Yeah I mean- What, what's, what's your-... Mama tried to- Well, well hang on, hang on one second.
0:43
I wanna say, yeah, so I've d- I've done, I've done some traveling around the world, and I would get a, I'd ask a lot of questions in, uh, in Asia or Brazil, and there's a, a, a, a conversation going on, and I'm trying to ask questions every step of the way.
0:58
And someone said to me in Brazil one time, they said to me, "Lotta questions, Jeremy. You got a lot-" [laughs] "... of questions." No.
1:03
And, and- The more you talk, the less we have to talk, and that makes the show better. But, uh, my point is, that's the same way I feel with you.
1:09
I have so many questions in listening to your language, but I've learned from travel, uh, to just step back and let it unfold and kinda decode it. And I know exactly what you're saying, again, but I don't know.
1:21
And I appreciate- [laughs]... listening to this, listening to the passion at which you talk. How, how long were you an MPS teacher? Uh, I've been an MPS, a Milwaukee Public Schools teacher, this is my 27th year.
1:30
Oh, so you're still teaching too? I'm still a teacher. Wow. Oh, goddamn dude, good job. Riverside? I don't teach at Riverside, so Riverside is a local high school very close to here. Oh, yeah. Well, yeah. And I loved it.
1:39
I had a great, uh, tenure there. I had a great gig there. I, I actually ins- accepted the, uh, home ec room, so we had the s- kitchen and stove, and I started to do Prock dogs.
1:49
[laughs] So not so long ago I do Prock dogs. And then it was such a success, then once a week we were doing, uh, Proccos. [laughs] And then we- Those all sound great right now.
1:57
But I eventually ended up getting this gig now where I, I, where I work for the School to Work program, where I take students with special needs from around the city, and I run a kitchen inside the teacher training center on 67th and Capital.
2:09
Okay. So every, every day I make breakfast and lunch with 20 kids. Uh, we try to run a real cafe for teachers that are there for trainings. Right on. Does that- Oh, that's cool... Does that make sense? Yeah, for sure.
2:18
Yeah, yeah. So, so today was- Good to go... chicken, chicken pot pie. Chicken pot pie. So we made homemade- Chicken pot pie... chicken pot pie. Chicken pot pie. No, kitty, that's my pot pie.
2:27
One of my favorite things in the whole world. [laughs] No, uh, David Cross in Just Shoot Me! This is, J- if you want to go back and listen to our podcast, chicken pot pie comes up a lot. Okay. [laughs] It really does.
2:40
'Cause [laughs] yeah. It is really coincidental. Today was chicken pot pie. It was a coincidence. It is really coincidental that it does come up all the time.
2:47
[laughs] Well, well, well so real quick, I also wanna say that I, y- so I don't know, tw- is it 17 years, 18 years, the River West's 24? Something like that. 2,000- We're born, born out of the same ethos- 2011...
2:57
of not being a sellout. River West, uh, you know, native living here and y- y- and tapping into the weirdness. Uh, 'cause I've never, I was never really a, a, a bike person. I wasn't ever really into that.
3:09
I mean, it was the community- I, I always forget about that... and to the organizing... that really it was more- Yeah, he's never- Yeah. No, no. I mean, I love bikes and I love riding my bikes, uh, my bicycle.
3:17
My kids certainly love it more than me, but it was, it was a medium just for the River West's 24. Sure.
3:22
And I don't wanna l- lie, 'cause sometimes I'm, I'm put in a position where people think I know a lot about bikes and they wanna show me a bike or something. Sure.
3:29
[laughs] But, but also, I, I'm, I'm not the- If it has three wheels, it's called a trike. [laughs] Yes.
3:34
I'm, I'm also, I'm not the River West guy that, that's, those first few years there were, uh, many people that did work. My strength was just talking and clapping.
3:42
[laughs] Um, and so that gave me, got more press, if you will. But there was a lot of great people that are, that worked on it. And fortunately or unfortunately, my house is the start finish line, so I'm kinda stuck.
3:53
[laughs] Yeah. I'm kinda stuck. I keep trying to get away. Hey, every other checkpoint's moved. We can move yours. All right, so- We could, but then I wouldn't want to, you know? Right, right, right.
4:00
I mean, I, I could complain about it, but you know, I wouldn't... You, you know, you, you, you can't make fun of it, but I can. Uh-huh. [laughs] I'm gonna make fun of it.
4:08
So, uh, uh, being that you, uh, are on the porch, and for the last couple years your son's been DJ-ing during the closing ceremonies- [laughs]... or whatever with the yeah, yeah, yeah. [laughs] Yes.
4:19
Um, uh, so he brought up, and I saw the RW24 AV Club, and there, there's a link in the notes if you're in the area and you wanna join this thing if you have any production skills in anything.
4:29
You're either a face on the camera, you're a camera operator, you're an audio guy, you're a streaming person, you're a whatever, whatever. They need help with this, but I don't know exactly what it is.
4:38
Yeah, that's- I don't, I don't know how much- Yep... you have an insight onto what it is. Mu- much like all of River West is that I, uh, uh, first off, I, I'm not really in the organization.
4:45
I'm not even fair to speak for it. I'm just s- saying what I think and feel as the limited experience that I have with them currently. But I, I, I...
4:53
One mistake or one problem I think of River West's 24 from its conception was we, we have a, a group of people that are hanging out drinking beer, and we think that's the world. Yeah.
5:02
And our language and, and what we do, we assume everybody knows what we're talking about.
5:06
And so we're, we, we're creating River West in my yard, River West 24 in my yard, and we're talking about them, we have this energy, and then we go to Club 99 or we, we, we take the party over to Uptowner, which are local bars here.
5:16
Yeah. Mm-hmm. And people are like, "What are you talking about?" And you know, "This is crazy." So my point is, it doesn't resonate without explanation and history and tradition, which it has now.
5:27
So, so my point is, and in conclusion, I'm trying to r- answer your question- [laughs]... the AV Club. So f- first off, g- there's radicals involved in this from the very beginning. These, these are certified radical...
5:39
These are Molotov cocktail making radicals. [laughs] Great. You know, these are people, they're like, "I don't speak, I, I don't use language. It's capitalist. I, [laughs] I only use sign language. I don't eat food.
5:50
I only, you know, snort air." [laughs] These are certified radical people. This is so funny. [laughs] So no one, no one from the River West 24 is gonna listen to this podcast. On a John level.
6:01
And I'm gonna, I'm gonna laugh right now about the fact that certain people are really obsessed about not naming sponsors. Yes. Yeah. Well- And although I lost it at- A 24 art exhibit.
6:16
I have your 20- your 2008 hoodie which thanks all the sponsors- Yeah... on the back of it. We, we thought that was the, we thought that was the n- the norm.
6:25
We were, I was copying or, uh, the, not fat bike, m- messengering, which is really popular. Right, right. Yeah. And I'm sure they have the same trajectory as fat biking. But I w- I was, I was involved in that too.
6:37
Again, not organizing, but I was, I would help organize. "Friends, hey, I need you to stand- Mm... at this checkpoint." Mm-hmm. And I loved it. And, and I, and I was c- I was copying that.
6:45
Doing like mes- Milwaukee Messenger invitations. Exactly. Yep. Yeah, yeah. Von Munns, g- like, "Okay, yeah, fo- follow me to the..." Yep. Kevin. And Dr. Kevin Hinchis. Tha- tha- thanks Eric for the, uh, the print.
6:55
Uh, it was awesome. I, I would, I was, I was helping Kevin and I loved that culture and the community and the, and the language. So we, we, we thought that was the, the blueprint for how things should be done.
7:04
You know, but then we get radicals involved. And so here's my answer to your question. Uh, so w- th- they wanna get off social media, maybe like you. Same, you're, you're on the same trajectory. Yeah.
7:14
And so starting our own control of the media, as opposed to being Instagram and Facebook, we have our own television channel. Sure. A- and, and I'm really impressed.
7:23
And Xav, who runs the Riverwest Film and Video, has s- most of the equipment or the quality equipment. He's Riverwest 24 in his forehand [laughs]. He does. [laughs] Uh, and, uh, so they're, they wanna start...
7:34
They need a team to, to run that. Uh, to run it quality. Yeah. You were mentioning how much time it takes to, to, to do these kinds of things.
7:40
I mean, look at all the shit it takes just to do this in this room- Right, right... let alone what it takes to do live streaming- In 24 hours... and everything what, what, what they wanna do. Yeah. Saturday.
7:48
Uh, so the reason I have it up on my screen... Wait, that's not it. [laughs] It's the golden ticket, which was really cool. Oh, easy. Those golden tickets. What? Are you watching Brazzers?
7:57
No, no, no, these aren't golden tickets, Dan. Damn, you perve. PornHub. This is a thing. No, these are all old 1950s bus passes. Look at those. Those could've been, Von Munns could've designed any one of those things.
8:08
Yes. Uh, but anyway, the AV Club, there's a link in the show notes, and it is, they're looking for people to help out. So I was like, "Maybe I should help out," because, uh- You, you certainly have the quality, yes...
8:18
af- af- after, after [laughs] 800 podcasts, I probably have a little bit of a clue, yes. And, and as, I, w- I've been to a, a meeting.
8:22
Abby and Cheston, uh, are two young people that have a lot of stoke and energy, and they've been keeping, they've been carrying that flag for at least the last year.
8:32
But you know, y- I'm sure you know, I'm sure you're like, "Man, this fat bike thing," and you're, and you're not getting the traction, no pun intended- [laughs] Ah. Massive traction...
8:40
that you would've hoped it would get. So if you would like to be involved- Oh... or you have some skills for us to control our own narrative and create our own- I think that's,
8:48
uh, t- storytelling is the, you know, the way that people are gonna, you know, keep con- with AI and everything, they're, that's the way people are gonna keep consuming things and being interested in stuff, is if there's an actual story.
9:00
It's not just, "This is what's happening," it's, "This is why it's happening. This is, you know, the history of what's going on. These are some of the people that were part of it."
9:09
It's just everybody's story is the whole thing, right? Uh, your take on that is, would certainly be appreciated- Well, I'm-... in, in what they're trying to do... I gotta f- gonna fill out the thingy thing.
9:20
But yes, I, I'm saying please. They'll be like, "What? Old guys? We don't need nobody here under, uh, over, you know, 35 or whatever." No, I mean. Well, here, here, here's one thing I, I can tell you.
9:26
I, I don't think I'm breaking any code. Again, I don't go to meetings. I, I, I don't like going to, to the m- to the meetings. Radicals drinking in, in a circle at the, uh, Polish Falcon is not my thing. I hear you.
9:38
[laughs] Uh, that's great. And the people that do it, and they keep the, the administrative going, I love it. Sure. I, I don't wanna...
9:45
To, to me it was such a beer-drinking radical, we were just throwing darts at a dartboard and making up these crazy ideas- Yeah... and then actually enacting them.
9:52
Now it's, it's bogged down in the administration, and I suppose it has to be. I- Right, right, right... it's becoming bigger and whatever. So I'm not min- disrespecting it.
10:00
But my point is, I'm telling you a little bit of a secret for the sign-up day. So we were talking about how you in the past you used to have to stay in the, stay in the park.
10:06
[laughs] So one thing I still am connected is I'll be emceeing that event. No. To some, to some degree. And the, and the fa- the way it used to be is I'd be talking for the six hours, um, and then like- Calling...
10:16
there'd be a DJ- Calling... and calling numbers. We- Making sure Michael waited till the very end. [laughs] We expect- Just stand there staring at you like, "Any time you wanna..."
10:25
We, we expect to sell out again, because now, now we've created, we've created a, crossed a threshold where- Yeah... if you haven't volunteered, you can't get in.
10:32
Or, you know, if you haven't somehow volunteered in some degree- Yeah, I think it's getting to that stage. You're right, you're right. Well, no, what I noticed was it, it, it was like the volunteer,
10:39
the volunteer sign-up line was longer than the number of tickets in the lottery. Yes. Yes. You know what I mean? By far. Yeah, absolutely. And it was like, it's like, "Whoa- And to be fair-...
10:51
now, now the scale is tipped this way." To be fair, the, the efficiency was very good. That line went down fast. Yeah. Because last year I was going through the line with my camera, talking to people.
11:00
I was videoing this. I have, like, three years of video which I really haven't done much with, but if people are gonna do a- AV Club... if people are gonna do a retrospective of this- Yeah...
11:09
I've got, like, all interesting stuff, because it's like, what's interesting about this right now? It's like, well, I just talk to people in line I either know- Yeah...
11:16
or just randomly, like, they have kids or dogs or whatever. It's like, "What are you doing standing in this line?" was basically my open.
11:23
[laughs] Which I know, I know well why they're standing, but I want them to tell me why. Yeah.
11:28
So, you know, are, is, do they say, "I'm signing up for the Riverwest 24," or, "I'm doing the greatest event in Milwaukee," or, "I don't know, my girlfriend said I gotta do this, so I'm here 'cause she's working right now."
11:38
"I've been sleeping here since last night. What the fuck?" [laughs] Yeah, man.
11:43
Well, we're gonna do, uh, so we're g- we're basically doing an entertainment for that line, so it's gonna be more of a vaudeville kind of a show. Oh. Okay. [sings] Da, da, da, da, da, da. Wee, woo.
11:52
I wanna see what it's like. So, so, like, basically The Gong Show is what I'm gonna- Yeah... was what I think it's gonna kind of be. All right. We'll show up. But, but maybe a little more organized than that.
12:00
You did know that Chuck Barris was a spy, right? Yeah. [laughs] And, and you do realize that bringing up The Gong Show makes you old. [laughs] Yes it does, I suppose.
12:08
But it brings every, it brings the current generation back to when it was good and purer. He was a spy... is, is- Well, that's the theory. The working theory is he was a spy. [laughs] Is G- is Gong Show vaudeville?
12:20
That's r- right? That's a fair connection. Yeah, that was a very- I would- Yeah, definitely. Yeah, absolutely. Definitely. That's hearkening back to the '30s through the s- '70s and '80s.
12:26
So I, I am, I'm not from the '30s, but I'm still using a word that makes sense. So vau- vaudeville would be a more modern term of what vaudeville is.
12:32
But anyway, in conclusion, a more of a, like a fast variety, kind of a ridiculous low talent- Muppet Show. Puppet Show. Muppet Show. Muppet Show. Muppet Show. Muppet Show would be vaudeville.
12:43
Muppet Show is a more- Very much so... contemporary- Yeah, yeah... comparous. Vaudevillers. Yeah. What are you, what are you talking about? Vaudeville, yeah. We're mashing out a lot of shit here. I don't know.
12:52
I don't know. I like it. Let's, let's, let's push this further. Yeah. What would be a modern, a modern vaudeville? If you're, if you're using, again, a vaudeville- Well-... Muppets or Gong Show Muppets.
13:00
Well, mod- What would be a modern vaud- Modern, modern vaudeville would be Muppet Show. Yeah, but that's not modern anymore. But af- but after Muppet Show. That's- But after Muppet Show. More currently. Well, yeah.
13:08
More currently than that- Eh, it's not much... that is in the current blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Anyway, think about that. Uh- Maybe, maybe, uh, maybe-... maybe SCTV at that, at that time...
13:16
what about Letter, what about Letterkenny? [laughs] I mean, well, no- Maybe... 'cause we're, we're working from- Yeah. You know, the whole '30s thing. Your, uh, your bob has turned out worse than mine even.
13:26
Your RW24, uh- Yeah, that one-... level was a lot of bad tattoos. Oh man, there's a lot of bad tattoos. My, my, my, uh, mustache- Tattoo? Jake- Yeah... that was a Jake Newborn big fight. Yeah.
13:38
He was like, "I'm not getting that tattoo." Oh, by the by. "I play his shit." And I'm like, "Okay, Portland." Speaking of which- From Portland. Hang on a second. Hang on. You can have. I appreciate a, the, a Rainier.
13:48
And then, and, uh, and here's a Rainier. Oh my God, a Rainier? I already drank mine. Just something I could drink with. [laughs] Do you have to go potty now?
13:55
Well, it's a- I mean, Michael's not used to going past a half hour, so- Well, yes. Okay. Well, how we doing? Are we- I mean, we- Are, are, we have censored time? We, do, do- No, I w- Do we keep the mic on?
14:03
Well, let's do this. Let's, um, I know we've, we don't really have a script, and I think we've covered- We're coming up on an hour...
14:09
we covered some good stuff with Jeremy, but is there anything you wanna, you know, clue us in on? What's going on with Jeremy? Do you wanna leave us with any words of wisdom?
14:17
Do you wanna watch Michael walk around and go to the bathroom with his thing on his deal again? That was... Well, I, I appreciate- [laughs] You do it this time. I, I, I appreciate- I just wanna go get a damn drink...
14:26
what you guys, what you guys are doing here. And let me- [clears throat]... uh, let me just say, uh, I guess a couple things.
14:31
I do do podcasts too, and I'm trying to find my way in social media, and even trying to monetize- He said doo-doo... uh, trying to monetize w- how this all works.
14:40
[coughs] Uh, and so I, I a- actually- Well, don't, don't use us as a model because- No, what you have here is really good. [laughs] But we don't monetize it. Well, it's fun.
14:47
But I do, I, I do a motorcycle podcast- [laughs]... uh, very, very much the same. And I, and I'm actually inspired by kinda what you do in the free form fun that you have.
14:56
It's- And, and also the, the administrative, like you have the ringing of the bell, and then you actually are focused. And you have a, a, a script. Sort of. A little bit. It's a f- A little bit.
15:06
It's just a semi-agenda thing. Three dudes hanging out drinking beer, i- i- it actually was a model for a podcast. But for 300 episodes, it can get dry. It can get very...
15:16
You know, who ca- you know, it's, it's like, are we having a couple of fun? We all just did a green COVID where we all sat at home and had... It was fun. But isn't it more fun though- No, not at all...
15:23
when there's an interaction with a community that's actually talking back? Yeah. Right? So you have to- Absolutely. So it's not just self-gluttony. There has to be some kind of a script and things, and things like that.
15:33
Well, l- like outline, I would say. Because if you- Yeah, it's just an outline... if you, if you went back, 'cause JK- Oh...
15:38
and another guy, the, he shall sh- [laughs] he should with not, he shall not be named- [laughs]... uh, of the former management of Weekly Dose of Fat. We had 3,500 listeners listening to our show every week.
15:52
It was semi, s- like scripted, right? No, it was fully scripted. It was- It was fully scripted, and we- And if-... it did a read-through... and if we didn't get the timing right, we'd have to do it again. Yeah.
16:04
And then I was stuck editing- This was, this was a little-... for like eight hours... insane right out of the gate. Yeah, yeah. I'm just like, "Okay." Guess what happens with editing on this show? None.
16:13
Well, the technology has advanced as well. Straight lines. [laughs] We don't edit at all. Well, there's that. But I mean, just like for content- Unless somebody really had a problem, but-...
16:20
or over talking or fucks and shits and blah, blah, blah. Yeah, and giggles. You know, I mean, yeah. But, yeah, I, so y- you, what's your motorcycle podcast? Is this yours, or are you- Uh, well, I do.
16:29
It's a, well, Flat Out Friday Mama Tried, um, podcast. It's on YouTube and Spotify. Very much the same thing. And b- but once you've hit a thousand followers...
16:37
You, I'm, I'm sure you guys are at a thousand followers on YouTube. Uh, 2,000 on the fat bike thing. Okay. I think, isn't that a threshold for monetary compensation? Uh, we need more hours watched. Mm.
16:47
We haven't, uh, because I'll tell you what, m- most of those came from the heyday.
16:53
I used to do all the trade shows, and we'd do 70 interviews in a, you know, a four-day period, and we'd get, you know, 50,000 people watching those.
17:02
There's not that rabid consumption of fat bike stuff, so we're on a slow burn. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Uh, w- it's, so how often does this Mama Tried?
17:11
Just like y- well, ours is a little bit more loose, and this is what I'm inspired about, uh, about what you guys.
17:16
But I wanna just stop for a second and then challenge, like I'm talking about monetary and then doing a podcast for the money of it versus how DIY and punk rock I appreciate what's going on here. Mm-hmm.
17:26
And that, that's a, that's the balance. 'Cause if we're gonna keep doing it, we all have families and, and time, our time. We're, you know, we're, we're, we're at our, our financial income prime right now. Yep.
17:36
We can't just waste it. No, we should be getting hundreds of dollars an hour for this entertainment [laughs] value.
17:40
Well, well, well not, not hundreds of dollars, but it sure pays to buy the microphones and to, you know- Yeah. Uh, well, you're looking at, you know, a lot of money in this place. Right. I know you know. Well, sure.
17:49
I more wanna know what you did in punk rock. Okay. Okay. Well let me, let me, let me, let me answer all these questions 'cause I really appreciate it. Keep on, you just write a book.
17:57
And then I'll wrap it up, but I don't wanna be too long. No, no, we could, we can go as long as you want here. But, uh, I, I- More watch hours... I got into River West because of the punk rock community.
18:03
There was a basement scene where you'd go to shows in people's basements. Not what you wanted to do in my basement. You should have seen- And I'm sure that- You, you and, you and, and, uh- Dwayne?...
18:14
dentist dad Well, uh- Dead air. Dead air... you have, you have a really good memory. Uh- Dead air. Dead air. Uh, uh- By the way, was one of your bands with Brad? Well, while you're- Bonus, Bonus Host- Yes.
18:25
He's my neighbor. Okay. Okay. [laughs] El, Elroy, uh, Bonus Host, tall guy. I'm drawing a total mental blank. Well, while you- I know... figure that out, let me tell you what. When we- He's decompressing [laughs]...
18:34
when we brought you guys- So you guys wanted to do punk rock shows in my basement at that house after everyone was getting tattoos. Tattoos? Tattoos. Tattoos. [laughs] I can't...
18:44
Corey- So- Corey Bowman and you wanted to have fucking punk rock shows in my basement. Why not punk rock shows in your basement? 'Cause someone's gonna die. There were too many bikes.
18:53
There was a lot of- There were too many bikes in my basement. There were too many bikes in that basement. [laughs] Too many dicks on the dance floor. So two...
18:57
Okay, so two of our, two of our fat bike brethren from Iowa, Spinner and Chewy, Spinner, four-time All-American wrestling college badass, Chewy, goalie coach, we talked about him before, they were here.
19:09
And Jeff Ogera, who, w- the only time he came to Milwaukee- Yeah... I think he ran away scared, but he's the wrestling coach at Luther College for the last 20 years.
19:16
We went to a basement show on Pierce maybe or something. Sure. And it was, uh, probably 20 years ago anyway, and those guys couldn't believe what was going on. They're like, "Can we actually start slam dancing?"
19:29
I'm like, "Well, I mean, you can't, you can't, you know, suplex them, but you can go in there and get aggro." And they're like, "Yeah, this is fucking great." Sounds about right.
19:38
[laughs] Well, I think, I think why that's important, now that I'm 52, uh- Fucking year old Almost 53 coming up pretty soon- My-... like in like a month, I think... uh, looking back at it, so my...
19:49
I, this weekend actually, my son is graduating college, and I'm going to see his first- Brandon?... punk rock, uh, show he organized up in his college town. I'm gonna go check that out. Where is that? Uh, in Menomonie.
19:59
I think it's- Yeah. Oh, at Stout? That, that, that's where he went to. Yeah. Yeah. Da, da, da, da, Menomonie. I, I had a girlfriend that dumped me in Stout. Da, da, da, da, da. That place has really bad...
20:08
It has bad vibes, man... da, da, da, da, da, da. They have a great, they have a great brewery there, uh, Zim- Zymurgy. Zymu- Zymurgy. They have like a metal, they have like a metal scene there too. Yeah. Yep.
20:16
Uh, anyway, and my other son is going to school for piano composition. The, why I bring that up is 'cause music was al- uh, I, I'm guessing is an important influence- Mm... on my family and, and the DIY ethos of that.
20:28
Us, us as well. And, and I, and then again, uh, I've mentioned it all, all along, what you guys do here- Mm...
20:33
and what the Reverse 24 is born out of, what I, what Flat Out Friday, and the motorcycling, and how I got into that, and then hockey, organizing. I, I'm into... I love organizing Stoke. You know?
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That's- I love, I love community, and we could be talking about hockey. We could be talking about motorcycles. The Stoke master. And I, I want- Oh, we haven't even talked about hockey yet...
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but we're not talking about poutine yet. How can we, how can we, like, efficiently get Stoke? And that's what I love organizing, a community.
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My, my little kid was into jujitsu for a little while, and if he would've stayed into it longer, I would've organized jujitsu matches. Your little kid who's 16?
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Oh, you've been working with, uh, John Friedli in White Trash. Yeah, get White Trash going with the Br- B- Z- B- Z- [laughs]... Brazilian jujitsu.
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And then, yeah, they'd be just wearing, uh, sandals all year long- Because you're in-... no matter what... you're, I was, I'm into it- [laughs]...
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and then I see, like man, this could be organized better if we highlighted these aspects of the community and the culture. You're a, you're a conduit, dude. Oh. Yeah. Well, well, well- You're a constant thinker...
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uh, a con- You- I guess I am a constant thinker. I was- You are a constant thinker, dude. I've- Uh-... ever since I've known you... the, uh, I, uh, I was thinking, I was thinking about you, Jeremy, on my road trip.
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Okay, [laughs] thanks. [laughs] Well, no. It's good to think that, think that people are thinking about you, dude.
21:44
No, but I, no, I s- I stopped in, uh, Missoula, Montana, and there is this, uh, distillery, and they have a coffee shop in the morning called Mama Tried. Oh, okay. Okay.
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And the owner was like, "Oh yeah, my, uh, my husband's from... or husband's family's from Milwaukee- Okay... and we wanted to get back..." And, and so there was that connection- Okay, that's hilarious...
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connective tissue as I'm just kinda like, "I need a cup of coffee and a piss."
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[laughs] And it was, like, this killer distillery with, like, all this kick-ass motorcycle shit, like Devil's Angels, and I mean, they didn't have a Mawa- I, I, I, I snapped as many pictures as I could, looking not like a complete creep, but- Yeah, yeah.
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[laughs] You know, like, "Heh, heh, heh, look at me go." Were you in the women's bathroom, or were you not in the women's bathroom? I didn't... It, it was all gender. Oh. Oh.
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All the genders come and- We're in the bathroom... um, but [laughs] but no, I, I... No, I was... I, it was awesome.
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I, I- Well, I think that's, that's a testament, too, that a, a conduit from, from Milwaukee or the- Yeah... Riverwest neighborhood, it, it's, it's a Milwaukee thing to, to- Yeah... to have a community. Absolutely.
22:47
Absolutely. Well, what's... There's a book that I, I just ordered on, in Amazon, uh, Bowling Alone. Have you heard of this movie, this movie? Mm-mm. Mm-mm. No?
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A- about how M- America and the world- I've heard of Dancing With Myself... has lost the bowling community. We've lost community, and we're searching for community.
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I think I had that idea 20, 30 years ago, were s- we want... I mean, that's what kept me going to church. It wasn't the religion or necessarily anything. The community?
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The peace be with you to me was like the most important part of the, of the service. Interesting... of the- Were you an altar boy? I was an altar boy. I was an altar boy. [laughs] Okay. Same here.
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I was an altar- Untouched. I- Untouched. Untouched. Untouched. I, I, I was, I was an altar bridge. [sighs] Which, by the way, is a great band. They were. Okay. They were. I was also an altar bridge.
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The, the touches were all around me. Oh. I was- I went to Pius, man. They were the cream team. Yeah... did, did with the Pius? Did you go to grade school? Uh, St. Mary's Holy Rosary. Holy Rosary.
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We had, like, three- You guys are Milwaukee guys, aren't you? We, we had three, we had three offenders that were, uh, liberated to Arizona. [laughs] Yeah, you guys are Milwaukee guys. I didn't- Yep.
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I grew up- We're not excommunicated... in the Fox Valley, so I don't- But you went to a Catholic school? Oh, fucking A, the whole way. You, you went to a public, you said?
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I went to Holy Rosary for one year- Kindergarten and 12... when I moved to Milwaukee before I started going to Shorewood. You'll never know that's not true.
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Because my, my parents were divorced, and then my dad lived in Shorewood. No, I, I graduated from a college- Consider the love of man... from a Catholic high school, so yeah.
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Well, I didn't really even make that connection. Uh- [laughs]... maybe, maybe what, maybe what's going on in the media has jarred my Catholicism roots. Mm-hmm. [laughs] Yeah.
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Well- But, well, well, and I, I do wanna say too with, with Mama Tried- Bob, have you laid your hands on anybody? The guilt never goes away. No, the guilt- The guilt is intense. Oh, my god.
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You're just never- Oh, it's so baked in... you're never good enough. No, no. You're never doing enough... it's baked in. [laughs] It's baked in. It's ba- it's really baked in.
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I mean, I- Let me know when you wanna borrow my six-year-old, okay? I mean, there are ways to crack it, apparently. Uh, [laughs] but I mean, oh, yeah, and it's like, mm. Drugs help. Well, I mean- No. No, they don't.
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I've tried. Well- [laughs]... marijuana, cha, cha, cha. That's not really a drug. It's an herb that they dry out and you smoke. It's just- Yeah.
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I, well, I, r- real quick, I do wanna say that I did not start, uh, Mama Tried. Mama Tried was started by, uh, uh, Scott- Right... Scott from Fuel. Uh, they- I got you...
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they were doing their thing, and I was like, "Man, I love this community. How can I get involved?" I had never seen young people into motorcycles before. To me, mo- old, moto- only was only old, crusty- Mm-hmm...
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white beards. So did, did Mama Tried come out after Rockerbox, or- I think Rock- I think it was, there was an evolution there. Oh, s- yeah. I, in fact, I, I'm gonna bring all these worlds together real quick in a memory.
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I don't think I've ever shared with anybody. I, I don't re- I don't remember. I was in the backseat of a car. This is the best part of the show. I was in the car. I was drinking a Dr.
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Pepper and, uh, whiskey in the backseat of a car, driving to a hockey tournament, uh, the, uh, a hockey tournament. It's a ice pond, a ice hockey tournament in, uh, Eagle River, Wisconsin.
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So they, they b- they have like 50 rinks. Yeah, seen it. Yeah. It's badass. And, and it, gr- again, a great community, just, just like this. And, uh, Scott was sitting in the front seat, and he's like, "You know what?
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I think I'm gonna stop doing Rockerbox. I'm gonna do a, a, a show where you gotta pay to get in, um, and it'll be just an invite-only." And I was like, "That's so stupid." [laughs] I remember saying that.
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Like, "You guys, you're dumb." [laughs] Rockerbox is so great, man. And he turns onto me- What did, what did Dave Cooke have to say about that? Wh- wh- who, who's Dave Cooke?
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Wait, is that- Oh, motorcycle builder that won, he won Sturgis, but from Milwaukee- Mm... with the Honda. Oh, okay, okay, okay. He, he, it was a cocaine-fueled build- Okay. [laughs]... but it was nice, though.
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But he, yeah, definitely. Well, he- Anyway, go ahead... he started that, and we were friends, and I had... He's like, "Hey, can you help me set up one day? Can you help me, can you help me collect..."
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Uh, I think it was tickets at the door. They were $5 tickets, and be here at 10:00. It's, or gates at 10:00 or doors open at 10:00, and I rolled in around 10:30. I remember I didn't, I was, "Stupid motorcycle show.
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Who cares?" And I, I was like, "Holy shit," and the line was around the block. And they're like, "Dude, where were you? We need you." And I was collecting $5 as quick as I could. But I loved seeing the sexy.
26:35
It, if it's one thing that's different about the motorcycle community, it's sexy, male or female. Fat bike, not so sexy. Well- This book, by the way, this book is sexy. I don't know.
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The beach in the summer with, uh- Kinda sexy, you know? Yeah, you're right. That's kinda sexy. You're right. You're right. Actually, you're right. I got a good beer belly. We can pause this.
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All, all of this, all of this is sexy. This- Yeah, that's, that's sexy. Okay. I don't know, I don't know what other word to use, but that just really grabs- Inspiring. Yeah... grabs my lures. Yeah. I agree.
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[laughs] It's not so- So, yeah, so Mama Tried was- [laughs]... was Scott, but you were helping out, and then, uh, wh- so fl- how did Fly- Well, I, I-... Fly Dog Friday come out of this?
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So as, as a father, I gave my s- I was trying to get my son, I got him into karate, into hockey, in, in soccer, and then I, blah, blah, blah. But I remember his first day- Dirt bikes...
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of kindergarten, I got him a, a motorcycle, and he came home from school, and I had the motorcycle there, and, and, and it was just a deep... When you're the dad and you can give that to your child, that deep...
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Well, you're, you're, uh, you're always searching for that. That's what Santa Claus is, right? Yeah. That deep stoke, and, uh, he, he had it in a motorcycle. And he, motorcycle was his thing till he was probably 18.
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Every, every waking day, he- He kicked ass, dude. Yeah, he was a very talented motorcycle racer. He kicked ass. But, uh, and so that was a, it was a nuance of a, a t- tall, a small s- world of motorcycle racing.
27:51
Again, another culture, flat track racing, which would be in a circle. Oh, right on. And I thought, "How can I connect flat track to the Mama Tried show?" Right. "Let's rent the Mecca arena."
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And I remember I called them. Yeah, yeah. I called the old Mecca, and, uh, and they tried to scare me, and they're like, "You know, it's $13,000 a day to rent the place." And I was like, "13,000?
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I think I can make that work." [laughs] I just need it for a day. [laughs] Yeah. I think I can make that- You, you said it like, "I needed it for, like, a convention or something."
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And, and it, and it, it, it, I remember, and they had the seats covered. You know how they have the fake- Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. And, uh, and it, uh, advance ticket sales were not that good, and the event was happening.
28:27
I remember pulling the, you know, pulling the, whatever, the covers- Yeah... off of the seats- Yeah... to make more room. Because there's that many more people coming? Because there was that many more people coming.
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I remember going into the- Oh, that's fucking awesome... into the stands.
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I remember them, I r- I l- I have a memory of a guy pulling a, a case of Pabst, ripping it open so quick the Pabst had fallen out, 'cause they were, they couldn't sell enough beer.
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They couldn't get it out of the box, [laughs] you know, quick enough. So the, the arena was like, "When can we do this again? When?" Yeah. Like, "We really wanna do this again.
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We'll even give you a discount on rent," you know? Like, and then, then it, you know, once you succeed, then it, offers come your way. Yeah. Right. For sure. Nice. And so that's, that's how you get into it.
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'Cause the most, the hardest part, and I'm sure you know this with your community that you're selling, and I even brought it up with the Gravel Wisconsin, selling it, to me, is the most exhausting part.
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When you have to sell, "I'm a manufacturer. What's this fat bike thing all about?"
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And you gotta s- sell it, and hopefully they bite, and they, then, then they deny you, and they deny you, and they deny you, and they deny you, and then you start to kinda give up hope.
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Well, that's why the community thing, I think, is more... It's not about selling a product. It's about selling a, a, a, a mem- it's about joining something that's like you. Yeah.
29:42
And I don't think that should be a really hard sell. It's soap. Soap. [laughs] It's, it's soap, right? I know. I, I'm just, "Oh, no, no, no, no." It really shouldn't be. That's not a very hard thing to do.
29:52
If people see it and they identify with that, they will join. They don't have to buy a bike. It's free. They don't have to... There's no barrier of entry except for signing up and participating in the community. Mm-hmm.
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There is no other barrier. Mm-hmm.
30:08
So if you can get past the fact that you have to post once in a while, and throw some pictures up there of what you're doing, and engage with other people, then I think you're in pretty good- Mm-hmm... right? Mm-hmm.
30:18
But, you know, but sometimes, yeah, you, we needed the, we needed the arena to make this happen Yeah, no, you should. So you have to, you have to- Absolutely... you have to, w- I don't, you have to kiss ass sometimes.
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And, and that, that can be exhausting. But I'm gonna, so I'm gonna share one s- final memory, and I don't think I've shared this, uh, with anybody, a- again, this is, I, I don't think I've ever said this.
30:36
But, uh, when we were at the arena and then the, they, they built the, the Fi- the Fiserv... Or no, they were at the arena, and somehow we had to go to the Bradley Center. Oh. You know why? You know what it was?
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'Cause they were destroying the, the next door. No, it was, no, it was more deeper than that. It was deeper than that. Those, because you guys are all Milwaukee folks. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
30:55
You remember, remember the circus, right? Remember the- Yeah... Schriner Circus? It was every mid-February. Okay. That's right when we always wanted our event.
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So the reason why there was no Admiral ice during the first Friday was because the circus was in town, and they're like, "Hey, well, we need to take the ice out," and they put the Admirals on the road for two weeks.
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Mm-hmm. "And we'll give you the next weekend so you can have the raw concrete. But then as soon as you're done, we're putting the ice back in." So that happened about two years. Well, people stopped going to the circus.
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The circus is not a thing. No. Right? Yeah. But that's not your fault. It is the circus. It, it died its own death- It died its own death... without, without you helping. Yes.
31:27
Without Ern- It, it had nothing to do with us... yeah, without Ernest Borgnine. [laughs] But- As, as soon as Ernest [laughs] That's a deep cut... I love Ernie, baby. I don't, I don't- It's insane...
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I would never would have remembered that name in a million years, but I know exactly who you mean. [laughs] I can see his face. What's his wife's name? Tanya? I can see him. Ernest Borgnine.
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What's his wife's name, though? And renting, renting an arena- Tanya, I believe... is, is a hierarchy. So here's what happens in the industry, what makes it a little bit dirty.
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Uh, Judas Priest is going on tour, for example, and they'll rent, they'll, they'll pick dates all across the United States, and they get on the hierarchy or the, or the, the, the waiting board, if you will.
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And so let's pretend they're first on the list to rent the arena, and I'm second. Judas Priest will sell me their slot. You know what I mean? Really? And it's, it's a real dirty hierarchy. Oh, shit.
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But here's, but here's what I'm getting to. The circus was the top priority at the arena. That's why the ice came out.
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So now they, they weren't there to take the ice out, so now next in line was the ba- is the w- men's basketball team. Jesus. Then there's roller derby, the hockey, and The Wave, and then us. Yep.
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And, and we're way, we're, there's no way we're gonna get a Friday to take the ice out and put all those other teams on the road- Wow... 'cause the circus was doing that for us. So we had to go to the Bradley Center.
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Well, now they're tearing down the Bradley Center, so I was begging- [laughs]... begging the Fiserv, "Please, please, please take a chance on us." Trying to put together one of those media books.
32:43
<< Put your faith on me >> Like, look at our beer sales. No one would respond. No one w- would, would respond. I ended up going to the Oshkosh Arena. You know, the, the Oshkosh built that new arena.
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Yeah, I was born there. Have you been there? Good people. Salt of the earth. Yeah.
32:56
Hey, what's the name of the, uh, the great restaurant, the great, uh, Sock Hop or the, where, where the, where they roll, have roller skates in Oshkosh and they serve you food? Oh, God. It's a root beer stand. Ed's...
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I'm not gonna talk about this right now, okay? Okay. Okay, so [laughs] okay, you're not doing anything about it. I'm doing everything possible to forget Oshkosh, okay? [laughs] Anyway- Oh, God...
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uh, I was gonna rent that arena- I'm talking to the last man... and then at the last minute- Last man... the Fiserv called me, and the guy's name was Raj.
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He was the main promoter of the Fiserv, and he called me and he said, "Hey, I will do this event." And I, I, it was a, just an absolute out of the blue chance, and he said, "I live on Licorice Alley." And so- Oh, nice.
33:33
And that was it. That was nice. And everybody, 'cause he had done the Riverwest 24. [laughs] Wow. And he, and he, he didn't, like, he didn't, he never- Flexed it? He w- he never flexed it, right? Yeah.
33:43
Yeah, he just like- But he just said it... he's like, "Yeah, we're gonna do this." You know, we shake hands or whatever. 'Cause I know you have cred. Yes.
33:48
Yeah, so that's the relation to how I think it happened- That's awesome... to what it is. Now, the Bradley Center is super expensive, and it is a capitalist entity for sure. Let me, let me see the McAbee thing.
34:00
That thing. McAbee. Continue. I'm not gonna- Well, just before we continue, I gotta, I gotta show this. I Like to Pee Outside, Mike McAbee. By the way, Mike McAbee's coming back for a show- The Riverwest 24?...
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at Vegas. Nice. During the Riverwest 24, just so you guys want to know. Okay. He's, he's a musician? Yeah. Yeah. He's a, he's a... Okay, one of the greatest entertainers ever, I think. He's a single guy, a single...
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I don't, well, he's a single guy- But their-... but he's also a solo act... their small town can't afford to pay... Well, can, but doesn't want to afford to pay the exorbitant- For one street light?...
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prices for one street light. So he came up with- Well, actually, the way he pays for- I Like to Pee Outside- Right, but that-... to generate money... no, no. No, dip, dip, dip, dip. That's his album.
34:40
Let me tell you the whole story. Yeah. Yeah. He put a vending machine in to collect quarters to pay [laughs] for the electricity for the street light in his little town.
34:49
Um, he's a, he's a, he's a solo performer, and he does like three straight hours. And I go, "Why don't you take a break?" He goes, "Well, I don't have a drummer." He goes, "When I take a break, everybody leaves.
35:00
Why w- why would I stop playing when I don't have to give a guy a rest?" You should know how that works.
35:06
[laughs] I, again, this is another connection that I love what you guys are doing, 'cause I, I don't, I don't know this music- No... but I, I, I, but I know this music. Does that make sense? You know Craig Pape?
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Well, the fact that I, I don't- At, at Vegas. I, I don't know Vegas as well as I should. Okay. Well- We don't go out... well, here's the deal.
35:21
So Mike's playing in there and, and Craig comes in and he goes, "What the fuck is this?" 'Cause he's, he's got a list of like 800 songs. He can play them all.
35:28
So people just, "I want to hear Glen Campbell right now for some reason." So Craig goes, "Can you play me some Soundgarden song or something?" And then he, he, "Yeah, I can do this or that."
35:39
He goes, "I don't want either one of them. Can you do this one?" He goes, "Give me a minute." And then he plays it, and then Craig goes, "You're fucking great. You're the, you, you're welcome here anytime." Mm.
35:49
[laughs] Even though he had s- like pooh-poohed him like five minutes before. Mm-hmm. Anyway. I was there for, uh, who's the guy that plays the really loud reggae music? Max. You guys, are you guys into that?
35:59
Oh, yeah, the, uh- Max Knowland Suckler? Yeah, uh, the what, uh, what- Yeah, Kingston Barrel guys. Kingston Barrel. Kingston Barrel. Yeah. That's a- That's always a bang. That's a good band. That's always a jam, dude.
36:07
I like it. I mean- Between that one and, uh, what's the other... It's got another one that, um... Darn it, Mothership. It was- There was like, there was Chalice in the Palace. Yes. There was that one.
36:18
There's- And, and I, I-... Kingston Barrel... I had, I didn't, I didn't know dub music before those things. Right. But I, but I just loved to sit there and- Vibrate. You, you don't- Mm...
36:27
dance to it, you just, there's just a- You just enjoy it... you just let it wash you. I only know dubstep because of my daughter being a violin player and loved- Well-...
36:35
Lindsey Stirling, so there was [laughs] I don't, I don't think it's dubstep. Mm. Dubstep is- That's totally different... is a different- Different than dub? Yes. Too many.
36:42
I want house, I want trance, I want this, I want that. Still, dubstep is cool though, I like it. Meow, meow, meow, meow. Oh. Anyway. Well, how are we doing here? Did you, uh- We are an hour- Did you continue-...
36:53
and a half into this? I have to go potty. Whatever. We could go, we could, don't- No, I, that's why I had to do it. I know. Yeah. Leave your- But- Leave your microphone on so we can- Or leave it on.
37:01
Or just be aware of it. Go potty. [laughs] No, it, it, it, it, it carries. You don't have to. No, it'll make it all the way. Yeah. It'll make it. It'll make it all the way. [laughs] Just don't make a lot of noises.
37:10
Anyway, Jeremy, this is- Unless you're gonna make a lot of noises. Is this working for you? Is this entertaining? Well, I- [laughs]... I, it entertains me. I don't know. And here's my theory. Are you not amused?
37:18
[laughs] If it entertains me, it should entertain someone else. Ta-da. Well, should is a, is the pinnacle word in that. [laughs] It will. I, I, awesome having you on.
37:28
I hope we didn't cut you off too many times and, uh, make you not want to come back. No, I love, I love your energy here.
37:32
But to be fair, you should be here more often because I don't think we scratched the surface of what we can scratch. Well, uh, well what, well what segment?
37:39
'Cause I, I, you know, I'm, I, I, what's, what, what, what service could I provide? You give me a weather report or something- I don't know, like-...
37:44
I'll come back and give you the- Well, like quarterly you could come in and give us 10 minutes of what's going on in Jeremy's world or something. I don't know. Well, we'll see if, what the people say about that.
37:52
[laughs] We'll... I, I appreciate that. Well, thank you very much once again for being on the show, Jeremy Proch. Uh, the absent Tony and the JK. Oh, what, what's coming up? So we can report back on it.
38:05
So you're gonna make- Oh, do we have to do Fat Tire Tour of Milwaukee, Fat Tire Green Bay, Bay View Rollout, which is something that's really awesome coming up in May. But- We'll have another show before that.
38:13
Well, exactly. But, uh, Strummer Fest- I'm saying in between the two things. Strummer Fest at Girabaudi. I don't know. Yeah, yeah. Oh, the Sun Tour? In Chi- Come on, you... only, only in Chicago? You tell me. Let me.
38:23
You're the one with the notes. Let me get my readers here. Uh, yeah. You know what's coming up? 4/20, y'all. Whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop. I mean, just in general. It is coming up. It, that's when?
38:34
That's a week from today. That's today. That's 4/20. A week from today. Uh- Right after the 19th.
38:38
And also, before our next show is the actual Riverwest 24, uh, registration, but- Uh, God Damn Gallows are playing down at Cooperage with special guest- God damn-... Jake Orvis. All the God Damn Gallows?
38:50
All them Gallows fellas? Well, I didn't know Orvis was not part of the Gallows. He'll sit in, though. Well, he's opening. [laughs] There you go. So he's doing a, yeah. I don't know. Whatever.
39:01
Wearing his steel-toe concrete working boots. So it's a Sunday night show on that one. There's another one. M545 at Quarters. Oh, love Juan. On Saturday. Are you, you guys are just doing Riverwest shows? No, not only.
39:12
'Cause well, 'cause what else opened? Why don't we announce, w- for better or for worse, today's 414 Milwaukee day, 414 Milwaukee day. Yeah. And that new bar opened. Oh, yes it did. The controversial- Uh, diaspora?
39:24
Diaspora? Diasporia or whatever the hell it's called. Diaspora? Diaspora? I don't know where the right emphasis goes. [laughs] I don't know where the ni- I don't know where the right emphasis, yes.
39:33
The emphasis is somewhere in there in the, in like the- Diasporia. Diaspora. Diori- Diaspora. Diaspora. Diaspora is what I would've thought. Diaspora. I think that is how- How do you say diaspora? I don't know. Diaspora.
39:46
See? Okay. This is great. This is, like, existential. I... [laughs] All I know is this place is very near to my house, not as close as yours. And it better be just relaxed and chill. Oh, you know, hookah,
40:00
hookah/sports bar without audio. Tony, your belly, your belly's in the video. [laughs] Um. I dropped my bag, yeah.
40:08
Well, no, I mean, for better or worse, okay, like right by Shawarma King, because that's all DoorDash and Uber Eats- Probably sucked up a piece of metal down there... and blah, blah, blah, blah.
40:16
It becomes like a little whirly gig of cars and humanity, and it's kind of like a pain in the ass. Yeah, it does not sound good to me. So that's what I hope not to anticipate.
40:27
Well, what I'm hoping- I'm trying to manifest against that- We're gonna find out later... on that opening. Yeah, we'll find out. Um, I, I, I, I'm, I'm maybe much more liberal on it. I like, I like the energy o- of it.
40:36
Mm. I like the energy- I have no-... of it just sitting vacant... I have no knowledge of- 'Cause l- 'cause let's go back to Riverwest... well, yeah, it's better than it being vacant...
40:42
when it was a, it was a, it was a storage house with metal walls for, for a long time. And the fact that it became a- But so many people want to go back to what it was. Was it a Nopa? Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Or- Yeah.
40:54
Then you get your Bob- I, I- Then you get your Bob Turner. I'm, I'm way more worried about... Oh, God, we shouldn't talk about this right now. We- All right. Then we won't. I'm not, I, I don't wanna bring this up.
41:05
All right. Moving on. I don't wanna, yeah. Let's focus, let's focus, let's focus positively. We've been riding along. Yeah. Speaking of the- We've been doing this a long time. Speaking, speaking of the Muppets.
41:11
We'll come back. We've been riding along and times are good. We'll come back. We have a neighborhood report. Times are good. Right. I think we should have a neighborhood report in, like, four months- Jeremy-...
41:17
and just be like, "What happened?" To be fair, we've never had a guest that we've gone over- Way over an hour... by twice. Okay. Okay. I'm sorry. Yeah. I mean, this is crazy. So that- This is good...
41:25
no, that just means it was good. Okay. Uh- No man caves. So, but we're, we'll, we'll, we'll leave it here. I might split this into two shows. This is almost good enough to be two shows.
41:36
I mean- If there's a logical s- we- We've known each other ancillarily for a long time. I really like talking with you. Ancillary. This is fun. Ancillary. Ancillary. Everyone likes talking to Jeremy. Ancillary.
41:48
Wow, he's gonna win at Scrabble. All right. Yeah. I'm ready to, like, hurry and okay. Thanks, thanks for having me on. I, you guys have a great energy here. Yeah. I really appreciate it. Thank you.
41:56
No, no, no, you brought it. Thank you for being here, Jeremy. And we're gonna, we're, we're out now. We're gonna walk into a tornado, uh, so when you think about us- Antim, antim... think of us well.
42:07
[laughs]
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