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Weekly Dose of Fat Radio – 10-24-14 – Show #27 with Bruce Mathieson!
Oct 24, 2014
Weekly Dose of Fat Radio – 10-24-14 – Show #27 with Bruce Mathieson!
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Weekly Dose of Fat, show number 127. Friday, October 24th, 2014.
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[upbeat music] From the frozen tundra in the beer capital of the universe, it's the Weekly Dose of Fat Radio Hour with your hosts Sven and Gomez.
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Welcome to the special anniversary edition of Las Bisas Gordas Radio. Howdy-doo to y'all. Joining us in the studio today is the bewhiskered JK Living. Brap.
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Once again, we're proud to announce our studio band, Chris Daisy and the Zion Cyclery Mariachis del Punk Roc. This show is sponsored by Surly Bikes. Surly, makes sense in a world of chaos.
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That's why they might seem crazy. Crazy. [laughs] People get a bike from Surly and they ride however they want. That's crazy. That is crazy. Yeah. You have to learn more at surlybikes.com.
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So this week we hit 15,000- Motherfucking-... likes on the Facebook. So thanks to all the Malaysian click farmers out there on the Delta for choosing Fat- Motherfucking- Radiof-.com.
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So what's on the docket for today's show there, playboy? [laughs] On this week's show, we visit with our old friend The Coastkid, Bruce Mathieson. We celebrate the three-year anniversary of the Weekly Dose of Fat Radio.
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Oh, love and yeah. [laughs] Love and champagne and cake. And links so fat they will want to make you slap your mama. So, uh, we have a new beer sommelier for the radio program. Don't French it up there, Frenchy.
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[laughs] Well, what do you want to call him? What is a sommelier any- it's a- It's a, you know, that's a, that's a wine steward, but w- a beer steward, a beer slave. Beer slave. It's, you know- Beer intern.
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[laughs] He's, he's far more than an intern. This is a man that has two master's degrees in earth science and botany. Excellent. Well, you know, with Colin out in Denver living in a cardboard box, we do need to up- up
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the beer IQ of the show. Beer IQ, did that stump you? [laughs] Yeah. Sorry. Sorry. I shouldn't be so mean this early in the morning. [laughs] But I just am.
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So it's with all appropriate pomp and circumstance and the correct pedigree and degrees from Purdue University- Mr-... that wide receiver [laughs] Mr. Julio.com.
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Julio's our man with a finger on the pulse of what's hot on the interwebs, Twitter, MTBR, Cosmo- All those places we go and visit... Pinterest. [laughs] Pinterest. He's got it covered, yo. Yeah.
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Well, he's, he's good at taking care of, uh, checking out what's going on like a blanket of snow. Uh, but he doesn't start until November. Yeah. Oh, so. Yeah, right. Yeah. Well, we can reintroduce him then. Yeah, yeah.
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[laughs] Well, nothing says anniversary than more than champagne. Oh, champagne. All right, I'm untwisting this little wire doohickey. Everybody put- This is-... your eye protection on. Point it at Mike.
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[laughs] [cork pops] Oh. Hey. And there it is. And whoop, there it is. So where- The-... is this delightful? This is, uh, some sort of... It's got a pretty green label.
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[laughs] I- It's made in the- I normally buy, I normally buy Taittinger's, which is a real French champagne. This is about, eh, round numbers, 30 bucks for a bottle.
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This here has got, uh, it's got a G on it for Gomez- It is-... thank goodness... it is made in the method of champagne. Yes, so. A sparkling- Well-... a sparkling wine... it's three years of the Weekly Dose of Fat.
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Three years. Boys. Cheers. Blam. [drinks] Ah. Ooh, that's sparkly. No, that's good. So Julio's gonna come on. He's gonna talk probably more, a little bit more than, uh, beer, 'cause
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that dude, you know, he's a stay-at-home dad. Right, yep. So he spends a lot of time on a lot of the boards and sorts through, rakes through much of the, uh... How, k- what, what, what, what could we call it? Chatter.
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Chatter. Um- And, uh, he's gonna-... fluff... he's gonna bring the cream of that to our show. He can, you know, go thr- I think he's on there enough that he knows what's kind of real and what's just bull crappery. Yeah.
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People just trolling and being mean, and Julio h- can handle that. He's got a good disposition. I would just start a flame war immediately- [laughs]... so that's why I'm not on MTBR.
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[laughs] So this champagne, just so you know what we're drinking here, it is Gruet Blanc de Blancs extra dry. I like the extra dry. Blanc de Blancs? Is that white de white?
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[laughs] And you know- See, my French is as good as my Spanish. [laughs] You know what goes really good with champagne, boys? Oh. Oh, no.
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[package rustling] [laughs] Ah. [laughs] We'll be right back with our incredibly special guest, Mr. Bruce Mathieson,
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right after this message from Chumba USA.
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[upbeat music] Chumba USA builds innovative, technically superior bicycles that are race-ready, ride-driven, and tested to withstand the harshest conditions and tackle the toughest and roughest terrain.
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Learn more about Chumba's American-made Ursa and coming soon Ursa Major at chumbausa.com. [upbeat music] You're tuned to Fat Bike Radio, Radio, Radio, Radio, Radio, Radio.
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Please welcome to the show all the way from Scotland, the father of fat bike beach rides, Bruce "The Coast Kid" Matheson. Hi, guys. Thanks for having me on the show. How you doing? Doing good, Bruce.
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Good to have you on the show. Probably didn't wanna butcher your last name just in case. How do you pronounce your last name? Yeah, you got it right. It's Matheson. All right. Okay. It's M-A-T-H-E-S-O-N. Yeah.
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That's right. Yeah. Super. Cool. That's probably the only thing we're gonna get right on the show- [laughs]... so just warning you [laughs].
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[laughs] So Bruce, you've been riding fat for as long or longer than anyone else out there in the say, blogosphere.
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Uh, can you tell us what you think maybe are the most useful innovations in fat biking since the original Purple Pug came out? Right. Okay. Um, well, my Purple Pug is actually six years old at the end of this month.
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It was Halloween I picked my bike up, which was quite cool. Um, and in that time there's been, you know, the last sort of two to three years there's been some massive changes.
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Um, I think the big thing, which has been, you know, the big thing's been the tires and the rims and getting the wheel rotation weight down. Obviously the Surly have pr- pretty much sort of led that in the early days.
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Um, and the machined out rims, the lighter rims, um, the folding tires, that's made a big difference.
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The Neats, you know, the Surly Neats was the big turnaround for us here in the UK because suddenly we had a tire which you can just ride anywhere. Yeah. Um, in, in soft, greasy, wet, you know? Sure.
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Um, and then in the last year or two, the inline frames, um, the wider hubs. You know, the, the wider inline frames, I think that's quite cool. Um, and then the 29 plus wheels. I mean, that for me, that's a big thing.
8:18
Um, hopefully we'll see more fat bike frames which you can take four to five-inch tires as well as the 29 plus, then you can buy two bikes in one. Yeah. Sure.
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Have, have you- And I think, I think that, that's, that's the way forward, you know, is maybe if more companies can go that way so you can... they can't always afford everything they want- Yeah...
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but you can afford like one bike plus another set of wheels, um, which gives you two bikes in one. I think that's, that's a cool thing. So where do you stand on like carbon fiber?
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If you could find a bike that would be just a, a jack of all trades, would you consider a carbon fiber bike? Yeah, I mean, there's quite a lot of sort of negativity about carbon fiber from a lot of people.
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Um, but you know, carbon fiber is used in Formula 1, it's used in car rallying, two of the sort of biggest impact, uh, events you can imagine, you know- Sure... um, sports you can imagine.
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You know, my mate, he's got a carbon Beargrease. I've ridden that. It's 23 pounds and it's still got alloy rims on it. So the carbon rim is gonna be probably sub 20 pounds.
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And if you go out and ride then 40, 50, 60 miles in a day, then the lightest bike you can get is gonna make a big difference.
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I mean, here in the UK for carbon, I mean, I'd probably always stay with steel bikes and alloy rims for the coast because throwing them on rocks, crashing on rocks and stuff- Right. Yeah... you know, steel seems to...
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I mean, you just scratch them where an alloy frame and a carbon frame will, you know, possibly be damaged. But- Yeah, I don't, I don't really-...
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if I wanted a fat bike in cross-country races, then it'd probably be a carbon bike. You know, get all of that lightness that I could get. Um, yeah- I think Bruce advocates having more than one fat bike. Yeah.
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[laughs] I- Well, you have quite a stable of bikes over there... you can't have just the one fat bike. That's the problem [laughs]. Yeah, true. Exactly. So tell us about your fourth fat gathering that you guys do. Yeah.
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Um, that just came about from a like having a normal Saturday out and thinking, "You know, why don't we just make this for anyone in the UK who wants to turn up?"
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And, um, so I just like put a Facebook page up, put a, a post on it from my blog.
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Out of the blue I got an email from Tyler from Surly saying, "We're gonna come across from the USA and check out your scene," which [laughs] actually blew me away at the time.
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We had the first meet and we had 43 guys turn up on bikes. Oh, wow. Yeah, that's awesome. And Tyler and Eric came, which was a, a total scream [laughs] having them. And they were blown away with what we were all up to.
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And I think the UK scene was quite a surprise to them and just how, you know... I think it's a bit different to the rest of the...
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I mean, Japan's got a big fat bike scene definitely, but the UK guys, most of them have been taking fat bikes and just riding them as normal mountain bikes, and they've been selling their mountain bikes since they've got a fat bike.
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And the UK scene's quite interesting because you've got cross-country riding natural, you know, out in the country, you got trail centers, and then obviously I've sort of kind of kickstarted the beach riding thing- And did, uh-...
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and focused sort of bike ones... did fat, did fat bikes open up the public walking trails that weren't necessarily very much fun to ride with mountain bike, but you can go out and travel on a lot n- of new terrain?
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I see a lot of your pictures are in a rural and farming area, very similar to where we are in Wisconsin. Uh, I just know that- Yeah... when I had a mountain bike, I just didn't go out and ride these, these- Goat paths...
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goat paths that I go and ride all the time now. Yeah. Well, I used to...
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I mean, I used to ride full suspension Santa Cruzies and Oranges and stuff like that, and you'd drive 60 miles to go to a trail center and ride the bike, and then you'd put the bike back on the car and drive back home, and then you have to wash the bike and everything.
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And your eight-hour Saturday becomes three hours of cycling with traveling to and from- Yeah... and washing a bike. Well, with fat biking, you can go out and you can ride, like you say, just around your local farmlands.
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And you can ride trails which are a bit of a slog on a normal bike. You know, they're soft or they're, or they're wet- Right... and they're boggy. But on a fat bike, you know, you just zoom across the stuff.
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And you combine that with maybe some coastal trails and some sandy single track, or in other parts of the country where guys live, they ride up in the hills where they've got a lot of loose rocks and shale and flint, which is just, you know, just, just basically very sort of slippy conditions.
12:54
Yeah. Loose rocks. And the fat bikes, you know what I mean, as, as you guys know, the grip on them is just phenomenal. Amazing. Yeah. Yeah.
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They've opened up, they've opened up a whole new sort of riding area in everybody's own back garden, wherever they stay. So we kind of got off subject. We were talking about your fourth fat meetup.
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Can you tell us what the dates are gonna be for this year, and what the area of Scotland and the kind of riding that you guys will be doing? Yeah. We're gonna...
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Well, I've just sort of basically kept it to the same regime each year now, because it just works. Next year's Fourth Fat's gonna be on the 9th and 10th of May.
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Um, I'm having it a month later 'cause a few folk moaned about how cold it was in April [laughs] camping. [laughs] Um, and East Lothian's just a, a really small county.
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To put it into perspective, we live, um, 30 miles east of the center of Edinburgh, Scotland's capital city. Wow. It's quite a small city. It's like half a million people, compared to Glasgow, which is a lot bigger.
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Um, but we're only 30 miles from Edinburgh's city center, yet we've got this coastline which is in the whole deserted. And we've got up to 44, 45 miles of coastline which varies from, you know, wide open flat sand, to
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rocks which are exposed at low tide, very technical riding, to, um, lovely, flowy, sandy single track through pine woods. Um, everybody thinks beach riding is all- And this is, again, in May, fourth and what?...
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just sort of flat open sand, you know, at low tide. And most of the photos of it is that, because that's the only time you can take your camera out and just take a photo of folk.
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And the rest of the time your hands are on the bars, you're riding. And you can make it as hard or easy as you want, and that's the beauty of Fourth Fat, and that's how the weekend seems to have worked so well.
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Is each day, the Saturday and the Sunday, we ride a set distance, and you can ride down on the, on the low tide, on the flat sand if you want, or you can ride on the rocks, or you can ride up above the, the tide lines in the sand on the single track.
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Awesome. Very good. And, um, if you're maybe, you know, you're not that fit and you're struggling a bit, you can shortcut and go and land and re-meet up with the group. So there's no set rules, you know?
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We just, we just arrive at a certain place at a certain time, and you ride from A to B, and everybody meets at B, and you just get there how you want. Um, and it just- We should do this sometimes...
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the, the weekend just sort of evolves itself and just runs itself, you know? People go and get what they want to eat, where they want, and they all just sort of...
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A couple will like, "We'll meet at here, and then we'll meet here at the pub, and then we'll meet there," and it just works. Um, but yeah- Oh, very cool, man. You know what Sven is doing right now?
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Sven is on his smartphone- [laughs]... trying to find, uh, flight, uh, airline flight rates to fly- Yeah, what's it-... to Scotland next May... what is that, May 9th and 10th? Oh, youse guy- youse guys have to come over.
15:55
I mean, it, it's so much fun. I mean, Tyler's come over for his third time next year, and he's gonna bring Trevor again, so it's... Be a good birthday present for his son. Get rid of me.
16:05
Um, he's able to, the ice cream trucks over, and that was the first time anyone had... No one actually knew they were coming, so of course I went there and met them, and they got ice cream trucks out.
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I was like, "Get that thing built, I'm having a shot." [laughs] Awesome. I stuck it on Facebook. It was like a sort of internet meltdown as such. Um- Yeah, we had, we had Tyler on the show last week...
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and Tyler, uh, I mean, he's been all around the world and he's, he absolutely loves it here. He loves it. Super. Well, all right. We really appreciate you coming on the show, Bruce. Yeah, thanks a lot.
16:36
Yeah, I mean, it's been great coming on. And youse guys wanna come over here a nice old time, it'll be, I mean, you're more than welcome.
16:43
I think we just, I think we just put in the next year's budget to fly to Scotland at the beginning of May and join you guys over there. Yeah, we'll see what...
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If, if you know what, what travel times are, uh, better or worse over there, that'd be interesting to know. But this is definitely on the, on the agenda. All right. Sven is maybe, but I'm definitely coming over.
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[laughs] You definitely have to come. I mean, the one thing we can teach you is, um, we can... We'll teach you how to drink whiskey properly, that's for sure. Oh, man. And that- All right. All right.
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And on that whiskey- I'm back in again... note, I'm leaving the show. [laughs] Scottish whiskey. Sven's back in. Yep. All right, man, we really appreciate you coming on the show. Thanks. Okay. Thanks, guys. Cheers.
17:22
Cheers. You're tuned to Fat Bike Radio. Hi, this is Tim with Read Cycles. When I'm not building fat bikes, I'm listening to Sven and Gomez on Fat Bike Radio and drinking Oskar Blues beer.
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[whistles] This is your weekly dose of FAT. Welcome back to the radio program. One of our Bike Black Ribbon test pilots, Angry Andy, herniated his disc in his lumbar region. Everybody knows where that is, right?
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So we're sending out some healing vibrations to Andy. How, how did he, uh, how'd he do that injury? Not how you're thinking. You know, lower back, I always think Humpty Dump, but... [laughs] Dude, I don't know.
18:05
Skateboarding with his son. Ah, I can well understand that, having injured my lumbar region skateboarding [laughs] many a time. So get well, Andy. Get well, Andy. All right. Get well. Get well, Andy.
18:18
You're gonna get well. [laughs] All right, I need to turn the tables just for a second here.
18:22
You guys have been covering the fat bike scene for three and a half- Three-plus years, and riding I know longer than that, and I just want to figure out from you guys, what do you think the best things are since the Purple Pug?
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You wanna go first? I was gonna say tires right off the bat. Yeah, tires. Tires, tires, tires. Tires. Tires, tires- You know, that's-... and more tires... that's, that's gonna be your best bang for your buck.
18:48
You wanna change the way your entry-level or mid-level bike rides, is put a quality set of sneakers on there. Yeah, and you can tailor it to the type of terrain you're riding as well.
18:59
So if you wanna make a choice to do a certain kind of riding more than not, choose a tire that goes along with that kind of riding.
19:06
And in that genre, I think that one of the big things was, uh, there's a company called Surly that came out with a bike, the Moonlander, that pushed fat bikes from a 65 millimeter, 80 millimeter rim to 100 millimeter rim- Yep...
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led to the- Big five-inch tire... nine... Right. Five-inch tires, and led to the 190 QR or 197 thru axle. And I think the 197 thru axle is the foundation of where I...
19:38
That's, that's the bike that I ride right now, and I love the fact that I can run the biggest stuff and it doesn't click my heels. It's, uh... I, I think that the five-inch bike would be my number one thing.
19:52
Yep, definitely a good one. Um, you know, there's bikes from companies like Salsa, the Beargrease, uh, both the aluminum and carbon versions- Right... a couple years ago. This year, the Bucksaw.
20:04
Those are all game-changers too. They really kind of up the ante, and, and again, are tailoring fat bikes more towards a specific kind of riding rather than just trying to be a one-size-fits-all kind of a machine.
20:16
And pushing the envelope, being innovative. You know, that, that Bucksaw bike takes fat bikes into a whole nother subgenre and opens up the circle of terrain that we can ride even larger. Yeah, for sure.
20:32
And Salsa, you know, if they didn't probably be number one behind pushing the development of the Bluto, I don't think we'd have standard fat bike fork now. Yeah, Q is, Q is a force to be reckoned with- Force...
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in the fat bike market.
20:46
Uh, right after the Purple Pug, the birth of Alaskan bikes, and the whole development that that terrain and climate put on the Alaskan Fatback 907, and then kind of an honorable mention in the Alaskan bikes would be Borealis.
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Um, Adam from Borealis Bikes was born and raised right between Fatback and 907. It's almost like they're the... He's like the baby boy of- Baby B- baby boy.
21:15
[laughs] Um, and, you know, that's a Colorado company, but I think they get the honorable mention because they are the ones that are marketing their bikes as a year-round 22-pound mountain bike that they're not...
21:31
It's not a fat bike. It's the all-arounder, and that's, that's, that's an amazing thing. I mean, w- it...
21:40
I think the number of people that have actually ridden a 22-pound fat bike is relatively small compared to how many people have ridden fat bikes. It's- Yeah. Oh, yeah, for sure...
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it, it's a cathartic moment where you ride this bike that is a, has all the attributes of a fat bike, but it's as light or lighter than your 29er or your 29 plus or your, your dualie. It's like [laughs]
22:09
it's a whole new animal. [laughs] Whole new animal. And, you know, uh, the other thing, I think we mentioned tires at the beginning. Gotta mention rims as being a- Right...
22:18
something that really, again, uh, changed from being, you know, more of a snow bike or, or soft condition bike like a sand bike to something that, uh, depending on the width you choose, can be more at home on certain kinds of terrain.
22:31
Right. Yeah. True. True. You can... How about my idea about the variable-width fat bike rim? Variable-width fat bike rim. If you come up with a variable-width fat bike rim- We just-... that'd be cool...
22:40
we just need to be able to control matter with nanites or something. [laughs] Work on that, guys. It won't be long. I think that's a micro, microtech, nanotech thing. Yeah. The morphing. Sentient rim material.
22:53
It could just get more disc-shaped as it gets narrower. Oh. Kinda squishes everything in, and the spokes shorten. Yeah. Or no, it gets bigger, damn. I don't know. We're going all science fiction on you now.
23:04
Yep, that's the next, that's the next big frontier in fat biking is sci-fi. [laughs] Speaking of science fiction, hey, we got some hot links off the interwebs. That's science fiction, even how the internet works. Yeah.
23:17
[laughs] So- Exactly... yeah, there's, uh, there's, uh, race your, race your fat bike in a salt mine. 65,000 leagues under somewhere. [laughs] Fat biking 101, go in a salt mine. Yeah.
23:33
There's a link to that in the show notes. My buddy, uh, David Gabrys turned me onto this link from, uh, Norway. Packraft and, uh, fat biking.
23:44
I think the title of this story was Barely Legal Fat Biking and Packrafting in- In Norway? In... [laughs] [laughs] What's barely legal in Norway? Yeah, barely legal. I don't know. That got me, that got me aroused.
23:57
[laughs] Have you guys watched Hell on Wheels at all yet? No. The AMC thing? No. Oh. Well, there's a Swedish, Norwegian dude in there that would be barely legal. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, okay.
24:07
[laughs] I know what you're talking about now. The railroad show. Yeah, yeah. It's pretty interesting. I don't know. AMC, folks, I don't know what night it's on, but it's on AMC.
24:16
And then, and then- Send, send me my check, AMC [laughs]... there's a couple of links here from Singletracks that, uh, I guess Singletracks decided that fat bikes were cool.
24:24
And they're telling you what their top five are, probably top five mid-priced bikes- Oh, yeah... and the top five reasons you should buy a fat bike. 'Cause everybody needs another bike, that's why. Well, yeah.
24:36
I mean, they hit the, they hit the five reasons, but, I mean, really? The top five fat bikes. Have you ridden all those bikes? Have you talked to the manufacturers?
24:44
Have you spent quality time on them, or did you just see pictures on the internet? Come on, man. Internet research 101. Yeah. So, I don't know.
24:54
Well, it's gonna- You're gonna, you're gonna revamp the fat bike 101s- Yeah, I think so... to teach everybody a lesson.
24:59
[laughs] Well, you know, it's, well, it's been a year and a half or so since we did those, and some things have changed, for sure, and some things have matured that we talked about back then, so. Hold on, hold on.
25:08
We're gonna have... We, we usually have beer breaks, but champagne break? Oh, yeah. Champagne break. We gotta re-fill the vessel. There's just nothing better than champagne. I have, I have bubbles in my brain now.
25:20
[laughs] Bubbles. Bubbles. Bubbles. [laughs] Damn it, bubbles. Too much Michael Jackson in the world. Michael Jackson or Trailer Park Boys. Yeah. [laughs] It goes, you know, it goes both directions.
25:32
[laughs] "Oh, we gotta get these shopping carts [laughs] to the, to this parking lot." [laughs] "These, these shopping carts aren't just gonna drive themselves to the, to the trailer park, Ricky." [laughs] Yeah, yeah.
25:50
All right. Well, cheers. We're gonna get a letter from them Tuesday- [laughs]... saying cease and desist.
25:54
[laughs] They're on SwearNet, so their, so their cease and desist would be like, "Boop, ba-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da." It would have a lot of swearing in it, is my point. Ah, Swearingenet.
26:02
Remember Swearingen from- Swearingen... uh, Deadwood? Yeah. Yeah. That show? Oh. Well, cheers, boys. Cheers. Cheers. Champagne to the brain. Champagne this week.
26:11
Thanks again to Surly for sponsoring the radio portion of today's broadcast. The weekly dose of fat contains content that might not be safe for the office. Or maybe for your church choir group. Or for children, even.
26:25
So when you're in choir practice, wear your headphones and try and keep it to a level two snicker. [laughs] Well, that's what we have for you this week.
26:36
See you next week when Scott Chambers from the Great Lakes Fat Bike Race Series visits the program. Adios, amigos. Ay, ay-ay-ay-ay-ay. Ay, ay-ay-ay-ay-ay. Ay-ay. Ay. Ay.
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You've been listening to Fat Bike Radio's Weekly Dose of Fat. Find us on the web at fat-bike.com/radio. We'll see you next time.
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