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Weekly Dose of Fat Radio – Show #76 – Special Guest – ITI Champion Kevin Breitenbach
Oct 16, 2015
Weekly Dose of Fat Radio – Show #76 – Special Guest – ITI Champion Kevin Breitenbach
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Places, everybody. Places Weekly dose of fat, show number 76 for Friday, October 16th, 2015.
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[upbeat rock music] Ah, yes. I am terribly sorry.
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The activity you hear behind me is part of the preparations for the new weekly dose of fat expedition to aural bliss.
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The man in charge of this expedition is Vice Admiral Sir Sven Cunningham-Smythe and Lieutenant Commander Gomez Wigglesworth. Sirs, hello there. At ease there, young gentlemen.
0:48
Hey, welcome to the double endo dreamscape version of our show. Went on a little beach ride, loaded two endos on my Bulava steel wheel.
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[laughs] I can't s- I still, I still have the vision of doing an endo, not riding on endos. [laughs] Yeah. Endomorphs. Endomorphs, right. So the double endo beach ride happened. We got that going for us.
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And of course, joining us [laughs] in the studio is Mr. JK Living. And now for something completely different. Fat Bike Radio and the weekly dose of fat is sponsored by Surly Bikes.
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Surly makes bikes and parts that don't suck. Learn more at surlybikes.com. All right, JK, what's happening on today's show? We talk winter footwear with Kevin Breitenbach from the icebox of the North Fairbanks, Alaska.
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We take calls from our listeners and discuss the very fascinating subject of vapor barriers. We share fat and plus bike news in the Fetty Farm field report.
1:51
We may hear from our fatbassadors to The Bahamas sporting provocative European swimwear, and this just in from the Cairo news desk, we will have links at the end of the show.
2:03
I wonder if those fatbassadors [laughs] are on their way to Brazil. Weren't they in Switzerland or something last week? Where were they from last week? Not Brazil? Bosnia? No.
2:15
[laughs] I think it was more tropical than that. Really? I thought it was- Maybe-... Eastern European. Could've been. When I think of provocative Europeans [laughs] swimwear, I think of, like, Latvia or something.
2:26
All right. And our one listener in Latvia is like, "Hey, those guys, I'm not listening to those jerks anymore." [laughs] What do you call provocative, Yankee dog? Uh- Top of the hill... uh, top of the hill here, boys.
2:39
Oh. Who needs one? You guys grab- Uh, I'm in good shape 'cause I just got one. I just grabbed, I just grabbed a- Octoberfest? Octoberfest... Sierra Nevada Octoberfest.
2:51
I was looking forward to a PBR, but that's not that bad at all. [laughs] Yeah, I always k- kinda get my Octoberfest and pumpkin infused- I get-...
3:02
things kinda crosswired at times [laughs] I- Or where it's like, it's like somebody goes like, "Oh, yeah, I have one of those," and I'm like, "Oh." Oh. [laughs] "You're gonna give me dessert?" Yeah.
3:11
[laughs] And I could have brought- That being the pumpkin? I could have brought pumpkin beer, but the o- [laughs] the only good pumpkin beer is the beer that maybe somebody else is [laughs] drinking. I don't know.
3:21
I don't know, man. I hate pumpkin beer. I don't drink pumpkin beer. I don't like spiced stuff. I tried. I tried. There was one that I liked the story of how it was made. It was, like, roast squash and stuff like that.
3:30
So the marketing, the marketing got to you? [laughs] Yeah, yeah. I was like, "Whatever. Eh, we'll give it a shot." And it was still meh. Well, cheers, boys. Cheers and beers. Bonk.
3:39
And root beers in this case over by Gomez. Yeah. I'm having a, uh, Berghoff draught style old-fashioned. Since 1921. It had a lot of dust on it, so it was about to sit on the grocery shelf for a long time.
3:52
Well, it confused me for a moment. [laughs] 'Cause... Well, no, 'cause I [laughs] thought it was, like, a real... I, I mean- It looks like a real beer. Yeah, yeah. And I was like, "What? Uh, it was a..."
4:02
I just- I thought it was a, like, a fancy boutique beer. And it's diet 'cause I'm on a diet 'cause I'm too fat, so there you go. Working it on down there. Working it on down, boy. I am.
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I have, I have lost many sticks of butter. Right on. Well, let's take a- More to go... let's take a quick break here before we talk to special guest, Kevin Breitenbach. Kevin.
4:28
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[upbeat rock music] You're tuned to Fat Bike Radio. Welcome the show caller. [laughs] Who do we have on the line? Hey, guys. This is Kevin Breitenbach up in Fairbanks. We should tell people- Excellent...
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Kevin is an Arrowhead 135 champion- Mm-hmm... an ITI 350 champion. He got cred. This is a man who has- Words... spent some time in cold climates racing nonstop, and, uh, we have brought Kevin on the show.
5:38
We should tell people also that Kevin is one of our, uh, Bike Black Ribbon test pilots. He's gonna test some brakes for us, and he's gonna test a womb pack for us when, uh, when Revelate gets those in in December.
5:52
So welcome to the show, Kevin. Thanks, guys. Thank you. And, uh, we're going to talk about footwear. Footwear It's the subject of, uh- That, that gets me, that gets me kind of excited, so- Yeah. Well, I just-...
6:06
that's my role. I'm- Just, just to set- Yeah... just to set the stage, do you still have all 10 toes? I have all 10 of them. I've- This is important...
6:12
lost a couple nails here and there, but they're all, all digits are intact.
6:15
[laughs] This is important because obviously you've been riding and racing in cold, extreme conditions for a while, and you haven't lost any digits, so you must be doing something right.
6:26
A, a number of small things wrong, but never anything major wrong, I think. [laughs] So. The way you race the big races, you're not out there long. [laughs] So it's 350- Lately. Lately.
6:41
Some of those have been short lately. Yeah. Yeah. That's the truth. Yeah. I'm just kidding. Well, the, the training miles I would imagine would be the...
6:49
You know, that, that's where, in my mind, when you train to do a 350-mile race, you have to be...
6:55
You have to put in 3,000 miles of training probably, and you live in Fairbanks, Alaska, which is, I always call it America's icebox. What's, what's the official street word, uh, uh- [laughs] Just-...
7:09
up there in Fairbanks? It's, uh, it, we're drifting into winter here already. I think, I think today's the last day that we have an average high above, above freezing, so. Oh. So yeah, I think we're kind of...
7:23
It's a cold place here. Oh. I probably end up putting in something like 3,000 miles maybe a winter, and yeah, a lot of that ends up being below zero, so, so the feet, the feet know the cold. Well, cool.
7:36
Well, why don't you start us out with, you know, when you first started to train outside and put serious miles in on the winter, what shoe combination did you start with?
7:47
And then when you started to be a big time racer and get the pro deals and all that, what did you, what did you evolve into, and what are you currently, uh, wearing, and what do you think is, uh, is maybe in your future?
8:02
That is, that is a broad, lengthy question. I know. Yeah. I know. It's kind of a long one. I know. So talk for a while. Yeah. [laughs] Take us through the history of your, of your feet in the cold, please.
8:14
If you're, if you're feeling a bit sick of it, I'll discuss.
8:17
Um, so I, uh, I started riding a bike in the winter a long, long time before I started training, which is kind of a neat thing about learning about winter stuff in Fairbanks is, is, you know, you can talk to the guy, like a 50-year-old with a DUI, and he knows something about keeping his feet warm on his bike.
8:35
Mm-hmm. Um, and so I started back in 02 or 03, started win- winter riding. That's when I moved up to Fairbanks.
8:44
And back then I was just putting trash bags over hiking boots and having no idea why my feet were brutally cold. And, um, from there, not long, maybe in 04, I started racing in 08, I think. Mm-hmm.
9:00
Um, anyway, uh, Lake makes a boot called, I think it's the MXZ 303 or something like that. Sure, yep. I don't know. Um, and so I've been riding those since 04. I've gotten, I've just had two pair of them. Um,
9:14
and, uh, they've always kind of done a lot of what I need. Um,
9:21
I think footwear's always kind of the, whenever you walk into a bike shop, whenever you walk anywhere in Fairbanks, you could be in the grocery store, and people are talking about keeping their feet warm and different ways to do it.
9:31
Uh-huh. We've all got different solutions, and they all mostly suck. [laughs] Um, but, uh, I think, you know- So your feet are gonna get cold...
9:38
I think one thing that people in Fairbanks start to understand is that your feet being cold, it's not your feet, it, it's, your feet are always cold. You know, I'm walking around in my carpet right now.
9:48
My feet are kind of cold, you know? [laughs] Um, and it's just gonna, it, it, it's just like it's painful. Like, that's the, there...
9:55
You know, I, I was thinking about this, that you guys would bring me on to talk about cold feet, and here it is in October and we've got snow on the ground, but man, my feet haven't been hurting in a long time.
10:05
We should've done this in like February after I'd- [laughs]... screwed up my feet a few times. I could tell you guys exactly what not to do with them. Oh, man.
10:12
[laughs] So a much easier list of, of what not to do than there is of what to do. So your, your Lake boots that you're using, you, you ride clipless pedals in, in the winter, right? I do.
10:24
Um, the only thing I, the last three years doing the I- the, the ITI- Mm-hmm... um, I do platform pedals for the ITI. Gotcha.
10:32
Um, and that's, that's part 'cause of the cold, and that's part just being on, um, unpredictable trails where you don't know how many times you're hopping on and off your bike. Gotcha.
10:42
And I've racked my nuts so many times trying to clip into, um, SPD pedals, um, trying to climb on and off. Mm-hmm. I, I don't find it worth it for something that long. Gotcha. But anything shorter, um, yeah, I do.
10:57
I run clipless with those Lakes. So do you have any kind of MukLuk that goes over the top of your Lakes for 40 below, or is that what you're using for 40 below? That's what I've used for 40 below a lot of times. Um,
11:12
and, uh, but I've always, I've either got a, I've got, I've got two things to add a significant amount of warmth. Mm-hmm. And they don't take up a lot of space.
11:22
Um, first is once it's below zero with those Lake boots, and I'd imagine with the Wolfhammers too, Wolfhammer's kind of a bulkier version of- Mm-hmm... of the Lake.
11:32
Um, if you toss a vapor barrier sock on below zero, you're gonna, you've got another 15, 20 relatively comfortable degrees out of that boot. Really? And I would imagine that with the Wolfhammer as well. Um- Huh.
11:45
Interesting... and beyond, beyond that, one thing I've done is, um, company 40 Below out of California, they make, um, a 6-mil neoprene overboot that you can glue on. Um- Hmm... and I've screwed those on.
12:00
I've never glued them on, but I've screwed them on to my Lakes before. [laughs] And, and at 40 below they, 40, 50 below, 50 below they work. They're still-... feet aren't blocks of ice.
12:10
They're not warm, but they're not blocks of ice So with the, with the Lakes you wear, on the inside are you wearing like the size you would normally wear and just this thin vapor barrier, or do you have like an oversized so you can get a little more insulation inside of it?
12:23
I know a lot of people go super oversized with their boots. You know, they'll wear a size 10 and they'll size up to a size 14 or whatever the biggest is. Um, I don't do that.
12:34
Um, I, the Lakes come in wides, which is excellent.
12:38
You know, the, you know, I'm sure anyone that's listening to this thing, you know, you kind of know the several tenets of keeping your feet warm, and one of those being, you know, being to keep your toes moving.
12:47
'Cause your- Mm-hmm... your feet don't produce a damn bit of heat. No. Um, it's just keeping that blood moving to your toes. Um, and so I run, say, I, I think I'm normally a size nine or so. My Lakes are a size 10.
13:00
The other one was a size 11, which- Mm-hmm... I thought was too big. Yeah.
13:03
Um, and, and so I have just enough room so I can put on a vapor barrier sock and then, you know, like a Smartwool mountaineering sock over that- Gotcha... and still have room and be comfy, so nothing, nothing outrageous.
13:16
I think beyond that you, you got this weird giant boot on your foot that- [laughs] All right. Nothing underneath your va- Get off- Underneath your vapor barrier? I mean, the secret, get off and walk your bike.
13:25
You're always gonna have cold feet. So nothing underneath your vapor barrier, or a thin, thin liner underneath that vapor barrier? I actually usually just go next to skin.
13:35
I don't have, my vapor barrier, it's, I think it's RBH, they make 'em. Mm-hmm. Um, and it's not a very close to skin. It's not tight to my skin, and so with those, I don't, I don't put anything on underneath.
13:47
I've done it, but on any races I've just gone vapor barrier sock next to skin and, um, a Smartwool sock over that. I think last year on the ITI at some point I swapped that around actually.
13:58
I put my sock on the inside just to- Mm-hmm... for comfort for a little while. Yeah, yeah. But, um- Are you- Vapor barrier sock goes a long, long way. Yeah. Are you a healthy sweater?
14:08
Do you produce a lot of perspiration, or are you un- Unnaturally dry [laughs] Are you dry? I am- 'Cause we were talking about spraying your feet down with, with antiperspirant, you know? [laughs] Yeah.
14:21
During the read through. These guys are like, "What?" [laughs] Little aluminum, aluminum chlorhydrate on your toes. That's not so weird. There's weirder stuff than that. I'm a baby powder guy. There's way weirder stuff.
14:31
I've never, you know, I've heard people doing that or like Vaseline or something. Um, I, I think that's all silly. Yeah. What's, what are you thinking? [laughs] I- What are you...
14:40
Y- you know, one thing I was thinking, 'cause you guys are from cold, from a cold place- Yeah... so what, what do you guys do for your feet, you know? Uh,
14:46
I don't ride clipless ever, so when I ride flats, I, I use like a Keen, what is it, Summit County boot, or I use, you know, Sorel's I've used. I, I use basically a, a good winter boot.
14:58
But in, one nice thing about my foot is it's pretty small, so I, even in the winter- Mm-hmm... I don't get this big club on my foot that's super annoying to put on- Right...
15:06
pedals, so, you know, 'cause I wear a size eight. You know, the shoes are not that big. You know, a guy with a huge foot, I don't know. Gomez, what's up with that? [laughs] Right.
15:14
I, it's, my, my current new set of winter boots are 14s. So I, I- Wow. It's, they're, they're Keens. I've, I've run Sorel Conquests. I go with a thin liner for down to like mid-20s, mid to high 20s.
15:32
Then I go with a mid-weight sock for- Mm-hmm... uh, and then merino wool socks down to, I would say, single digits. And then
15:44
single digits I, below that I would wear a heavier, even heavier sock or a liner and the medium sock, and then put a chemical toe warmer in, in the boot. Ooh, resorting to the chemicals. Um- Ooh.
15:59
[laughs] We're onto the goo. Ooh, that's so, ah, I love the chemical hand warmer. Oh, boy. Man, this has got me excited.
16:07
That's, you know, with the, with the little sticky in there that, so you stick 'em in the front of your boot before you put your boots on? Never actually tried those. Really? I don't want my toes to burn off.
16:15
I always have this thing like, what if it just- Yeah, yeah... flashes like a big n- n- Yeah... mini nuclear explosion? It would, it would look like the biggest fool. And I got nothing left. It's just, "Ah, ah, ah.
16:25
I, ah, I can't get 'em off. Like, ah." [laughs] Gomez's foot is on fire again. No, it, that, that'd never happen. At least your feet would be warm. It'd be warm. [laughs] It'd be fine.
16:36
That's, that's, and I don't, and I don't run SPDs on the fat bike at all. Um- Gotcha... so. SPD, I li- I like it. I, I just, I don't do the chemical hand warmers only 'cause they don't always work. Yeah.
16:50
When you want 'em to work, like when you need them, you desperately need them, and when they don't work it is awful.
16:57
And, um, and then when they do work, after a few hours, don't they kind of turn into like kind of a rock in there? Like, they just turn into this- Yeah... this heat sink. Yeah.
17:05
You know, once they're not working they turn solid into this little heat sink. That would, that would happen in my boots like eight hours after I finished my ride.
17:15
[laughs] 'Cause not everybody rides for 33 hours straight or 16 hours straight or whatever. It would- But even, you know- Yeah... on a, on a, on a, you know, on a full day out here- Yeah, yeah...
17:26
you know, uh, gearing up for the ITI and stuff, you know, the last couple months before that, you're often out on the weekends for full, you know, complete days, doing 12-hour days or 10-hour days and where- I could see where you would not wanna rely on those chemical toe warmers- Right...
17:40
for that kind of, for that kind of effort, that's for sure. I, I like to rely on, uh, pubs to stop. [laughs] But I, I pres- I presume there are no pubs on your route where you're training.
17:51
[laughs] But, you know, you know, there's a, last year I was riding just before the ITI. You know Jeff Oatley. Sure. I don't know if you know Jeff. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. He's been on this show.
18:00
Yeah, uh, we, we, be- before last year's ITI, Fairbanks got this awful, awful cold snap to kind of remember, you know, remind us that winter exists, and it was 50 below in the valleys- For, I can't remember now, but it seemed like almost a couple weeks of just close to 50 below the whole time.
18:16
And, um, what's neat is- Hmm... we get these huge inversions, so we'll do these big climbs up to this, you know, we'll go up 2,000 feet, and so maybe up there at the balcony I think it was, like, 18 below zero up- Ah...
18:27
up on top. Nice. And we drop down this big descent to go down to the bottom of the valley, and, you know, 20 minutes later it was 50-something below, 52, 53 below.
18:39
And at the bottom of the valley, and I peeled off to go home, and he was headed home, and he's a totally competent guy. Um, but it was 50, in the mid 50s below.
18:48
And his wife gave me a call a couple hours later, couldn't find him, no one knew where he was. He ended up stopping at the pub 'cause his damn feet were cold. Oh. And no one knew. Oh.
18:58
And so we do have pubs, and, and they come in- [laughs]... come in handy up there. Funny. They do come in handy. Funny. Yeah, yeah.
19:06
So, uh, what do you, what do you think of that, uh, what do you think of that new, uh, boot out of 45NRTH, that, that they won't give us one for you to test?
19:17
I don't, you know, when, when are boot companies gonna start... I, I don't know anyone in Fairbanks that tests boots or... Rocky Reitzes used to, um, test boots. He, he helped out with those Lake boots.
19:27
Um, but other than that, I haven't, we don't, we don't get many people asking us questions. Um- It's too cold... so Lake has- Yeah. Yeah. I'd like to, I'd like to hold it in my hand.
19:36
The, the only thing I think about looking at it, it looks really warm, it looks really bulky. Oh. Um, it just looks big. And, and not, not, not down in the foot box, that looks all great.
19:47
I just think, I think one thing that those, both that, that Wolf, the Wolfhammer and that new one, whatever it is, um, if they could figure out up by the ankle.
19:54
If you look at the, if you look above the ankle on that boot- Hmm... where you don't need a lot of insulation, and you've got your sock coming up, your vapor barrier sock coming up, the tongue of your boot.
20:04
You've got your long underwear coming down, your, your pants coming down, all into this one spot, and they've got so much going on right there. Um, I think- Yeah, like a bottleneck of all of those layers... exactly.
20:17
Yeah, and I, I just see that as, like, this, literally this choke point. Then they've got the Velcro and this choke point of just cutting off circulation with your foot.
20:25
'Cause I know with my experience with cold feet, it's not, it's not always on the coldest days or the wettest days. It's, it's, you know, when you're dehydrated, or you lace up your boot wrong. Mm-hmm.
20:36
You know, all of a sudden your feet, your feet go numb. And, um, so that's the only thing. They look bulky around there. I think it's cool that they did the removable liner. Mm-hmm. Um, and, and- And-...
20:48
it, just for multiple day stuff, you know, being able to dry your things out, I guess. But, um, I, I think the- I was happy to see that, that they got rid of the zippers, because they seem to- Yeah...
20:57
always cause problems. I know that when I- They do. No, I know... when I zip up my Wolfhammers, I say a little prayer every time.
21:04
I try and remember the video, the instructional video that they put out on how to work a zipper, and I try and- The instructional video on zippers. [laughs] Man.
21:14
And I try and channel that and gently close my Wolfhammers. But I tell you what, uh, the Wolfhammers that I have, the problem is they were the...
21:22
And they don't make them anymore, so we can, we can, we can, we can tell the truth here, is, like, I think the s- they made the soles very flexible, right?
21:31
So where you contact your pedal to get that really nice monkey toe feel, you know, it's like they're- Yeah... very thin and flexible there, and I think it's too thin. It's like it, they hurt my feet after a while.
21:44
So I- Hmm. Okay... I'm looking forward to going back to a boot made by a boot company that has- That makes boots. Yeah. [laughs] So here's the- Yeah. You know what, you know what they call a boot in England, right?
21:57
That's, that's the trunk of your car, right? It's a place where you carry your luggage. Wellies? Is that what they call it? Those are shoe, or, like, shoe booties. Yeah. Like, for the rain. A wellington. A wellington.
22:07
Ooh. [laughs] That's delightful. Hmm. So Kevin, uh, I have a link here, and you'll see it in the show notes, but there's a company that makes an SPD plate that can turn any shoe into an SPD shoe, right?
22:25
But they do not, they only make them for street shoes. So I contacted them- Which, which are a little bit useless at 40 below, I'd imagine. [laughs] Right. I've got me Italian boots on.
22:36
[laughs] I've got my Swedish- I, I got my Swedish- The only thing, if you have a neoprene overboot for whatever shoe you have- Mm-hmm...
22:44
you know, for, like, the temperature you guys are at, if you had one of those six mil neoprene overboots, um, I know people here that have them set up over regular summer mountain biking shoes. Mm-hmm.
22:54
You know, ones that you can walk around in and stuff. Sure. You put on six mil of neoprene over that stuff, it's lightweight and it's flexible, and it's gonna get you. You know, at 40 or 50 below, you just walk.
23:05
You know, like, there's... I can't stand, you know, one thing I don't like about looking at boot companies and they talk about, "Oh, it's the ultimate, and you're, you'll never have to think of your feet again."
23:14
That's, you know, I had gone on the 45NRTH website and that's what their new boot says, "You never gotta think of your feet again." And I'm just like, well, that's a bit, that's a bit misleading. I like my feet. So.
23:23
They're, they're always with me. [laughs] They get me where I'm going. I, I, I'm very- If they-... partial to my feet, [laughs] actually. If they- I, I, exactly. I don't want them off my mind. [laughs] I enjoy my feet.
23:31
No, I, I want my toes to stay on my feet and everything to be happy when it's cold out. Yeah. That does not make me confident. [laughs] How am I supposed to- The only time I forget about my feet is when they're numb.
23:40
That's all. And so- [laughs]... yeah. You have a point. Anyway. So we're, uh, we're gonna- Yeah... put a call to action out there to our, uh, to our listener.
23:51
So tell your friend that listens to the show, Kevin, to look at the show notes, this Retrofits company. Email this company and say, "Make one for the winter boot." Yeah.
24:04
Well, I think we had it all figured out for them until we came on the need for the extra long bolt. It's like they just need, they just need a little bit thicker plate. That's it. That's it. Yeah. Yeah.
24:14
So the, it's just, it, so what do they make them for, like dress shoes, so if you're in a city you can ride around SPD? They have, they have pictures of, like, street sweet suede Pumas- Street suede Pumas... and stuff.
24:23
Like, so you can have, like, your skate shoes SPD. So- Oh... it, that's, it's a Southern California company. I think they just hate cold weather. You know what it's called? Retrofits. Right. Yeah.
24:34
So we just have to retrofit the Retrofits. That's, you just- It works... gotta put a spacer. All you need is a plastic spacer, a hard, rigid plastic spacer with some holes in it. A Delrin spacer, perhaps. Yeah, Delrin.
24:44
Delrin. You guy- you guys are going in Fairbanks. This is, like, classic conversation, 'cause everything- [laughs]...
24:48
you know, people have been, you know, people have been riding winter up here forever, for 100 years, and all the conversations are about, you know, "If people just did this."
24:57
You know, those, those Keen Summit Counties, I've got those same ones. That's what I've ridden the ITI in. Uh-huh. Um, and, uh, they're awesome. They're super comfortable. Um, they're light.
25:06
And, uh, again, if you're just willing to walk, you know, below 30 below, they're not bad. You just, you need to freshen up those toes a bit. Yeah.
25:13
But I thought I wanted, I w- I had thought about talking to Keen about... 'Cause they do a, Keen makes a sandal. Mm-hmm. Right. A clipless riding sandal, as far as I remember. Mm-hmm, yep. All right.
25:25
Don't quote me on that- Hands down... but I think they do. They do. And so they are in the biking, you know, they're in the biking domain. You know, take those Summit Counties.
25:33
Sven and I, we're not the only ones that are riding those. I know tons of people that ride those Summit Counties. I ride them. And they make something- That's my boot... similar to that.
25:39
You know what I did- So these are awesome...
25:40
y- you know what I did to mine that I really, around here, found not only fun, but very useful on a couple of occasions, is put, like, six of the GripStud studs in the- Right...
25:50
bottom of my Summit Counties, and it's got a little carbide tip sticking out. Not a ton of, you know- Mm-hmm... traction, but enough to kinda not fall down a lot.
25:59
And, uh, that's been the only modification I made to mine. And, and truth be told, the, the coldest I rode was 14 below. That's just as cold as it got here. Didn't get any colder than that. Mm-hmm. But...
26:09
And, and that's been in a long time, really. It, we've had really mild winters before the last couple. But anyway, uh, we ride the lake a lot- Oh... and that's super awesome on the ice, is those little study things.
26:19
Oh, yeah, totally.
26:21
You, uh, had told me that you think that a boot like your Lake or a Wolfhammer needs to have a single-layered 400 grams of Thinsulate boot, then needs to have some sort of overboot over the top of it, right?
26:41
Yes. That's what I believe. I, I think the one thing that Kir- you know, so I was checking out 45NRTH's setup of, of shoes. You know, they've got their Strindheim shoe, then they've got the Wolfhammer.
26:51
Now they've got the one colder than that. Mm-hmm. And individually, they all look like really good, cool boots, but I'm thinking about, you know, I've been a dirt bag for 15 years riding a bike.
27:00
I haven't, it hasn't been long that I've been getting anything for, for here. Mm-hmm. Anything like that. And, uh, you know, trying to make money stretch.
27:07
What's nice about a boot like that, those Lakes are, or something along those lines, is, is they, you know, I started riding those in August already. You know, it's 40 degrees here in August, and they're comfortable.
27:16
Right. And, you know, right now in the mornings when it's 15 degrees, they're comfortable. And, you know, once it hits zero, I can, all I have to do is put a Vapor Barrier sock on and it's still comfortable.
27:26
Um, you know, that, that new boot with 45NRTH, it seems really great for the ITI. It seems great, like, when you're stuck on the Yukon River. But other than that, it's huge and, and warm.
27:38
You know, what's neat about doing something where you get, you, where you have a compatible overboot that's, you know, meant for the system.
27:44
I think 45NRTH need to start making a pair of riding pants too, and develop that whole area right around your ankles.
27:51
You know, if you look at all their products, they've got, uh, they've got a gaiter that comes up over the boots.
27:57
Now, you know, now you've got a gaiter, you got your boots, you got your pants, you got your long underwear, you've got your socks, and then your prob- your base layer of socks all coming together, you know, right at your ankle.
28:07
Um, minimize all that stuff. Make a simple boot underneath with a real flexible ankle, and then a, a compatible overboot.
28:18
You know, they've got that gaiter, but all that's protecting is from, if you take a look at it, it's just from the laces up. It totally keeps your toe box exposed. Yeah.
28:28
And I know they've got a bit of extra insulation over that this year, which is super cool. That was a really cool idea, that gel or foam or whatever they've got- Mm-hmm... over your toe box. That Aerogel, yeah.
28:36
But, yeah, but just like, you know, a jacket that you'd wear for skiing. You know, it protects you from the front, and the back breathes.
28:44
And I think a lot of people, whenever I've looked on forums or, you know, I've heard people talk about footwear here and there, and, you know, everyone down there's talking a lot about, like, oh, all that cold coming up through your pedal, and all that cold coming through, you know, those steel bits in your, in your shoe.
28:58
And- Mm-hmm... it, I, I can promise you, you know, day in, day out, um, of going through a month or you're not going for a ride over 20 below, you start to realize that doesn't matter.
29:11
Um, it's all that cold attacking you from the top of your boots- Yeah... from riding your bike at 12 miles an hour. It's always shedding the heat. Yeah. And so, you know, you're not producing heat in there.
29:22
Keep all that damn cold out and protect your toe box. 'Cause, you know, it's not the top of your foot, it's not up by your ankle that's getting cold. It's your toes that are dying. Right. Yeah, for sure. And- Right.
29:34
Spe- speaking of that-... just protect that and your foot does the rest. The rest of your body does the rest. What- You just need those digits protected. Right. Yeah.
29:41
When we were down at, uh, Interbike this year, I think we were... I don't know if we were looking for the bathroom.
29:46
I can't remember what we were doing, or we're waiting for an appointment, but we were at a, at a booth that had these little, um, neoprene, like, they just go over your toe box pretty much.
29:56
And, uh, I thought, "Wow," actually. I don't know i- if it works or not, but, uh, he gave us some things to try out here, and I'm like, "I am certainly gonna try those out and see how it works for me."
30:08
Y- and you can get those for the inside of your boot too. Yeah, that's, yeah. You can get a, like, a boot insert and stuff. That's what these are for. That's what these are for, yeah. Yeah.
30:13
These are for the inside of your boot, and they just go over, like, to the back of the ball of your foot, and they're, that's it. Yes.
30:20
Another thing for people to try, 'cause vapor barrier socks are real slimy and kind of nasty, and they're actually sort of expensive. Right.
30:26
And I always, you know, people forget, we even forget in Anchorage that they just don't deal with below zero constantly. Um- Pretty stunning, isn't it?
30:34
The other thing that I do, um, that works out really well is you can get neoprene socks. Um, I've got several pair of neoprene socks. I think, like, they're made by a company like Gator. Mm-hmm. NRS makes some.
30:46
Um, but I think, you know, mostly for canoeing or kayaking. Right. Um- White water rafting... but the neoprene sock, it just goes to, like, ankle high, and it soaks up all that moisture.
30:56
And one thing, once your foot gets through a certain, like, once it, once you've gotten to 100% relative humidity, it's kind of how the vapor barrier works. Your foot doesn't sweat as much.
31:05
You don't need to put antiperspirant on it. Um- Gotcha... you foot kind of stops sweating. And so y- you kind of, that neoprene sock, it, it's full of your sweat. That's relatively warm.
31:16
And even if it's 40 below outside, it's a little bit harder to move humid air to, to... And so your foot just stays warmer in general. Yeah.
31:26
Um, and so neoprene socks are another really, I found, you know, do a neoprene sock and a wool sock over that, and it works out really well for those, you know, 10, 12-hour races or whatever.
31:36
Um, they work out great, I think.
31:39
No, I'm, I'm looking for, uh, you come up with all these ideas when you ride out in the snow, and that's basically my issue with riding in the winter, isn't being super cold, 'cause it's not below zero all that often, and we might get a stretch that's, you know, a little bit below like that one time a couple years ago.
31:54
[laughs] But, but really we're riding in the snow a lot, and I tend to be... Uh, you're talking about the ankle area. I'm like, that's a, it's a pain zone with me.
32:03
So I have short pants and stuff so they don't intrude on that area. And, uh, I, I, I'm looking for something that keeps the snow from going inside my boot, but is, you know, not bulky. Gaiters. Yeah. I don't know.
32:19
I don't like gaiters very much. Gotta get stretchy ones. Maybe. Yeah, kind of. But then you're, I, I don't, you know, I'm not a gai- And we don't, the, the thing is that, you know, we don't deal with that here.
32:28
We do- It's so dry. Yeah. And even if we are kicking up snow, it's so dry and so cold that our pants, you know, everything's frozen, so nothing, nothing gets wet.
32:38
You know, right now we got, last month in September here, we got 27 inches of snow.
32:43
And, um, we've had snow on the ground now for three weeks, and I forgot why everyone hates the winter in the lower 48, 'cause it's wet and disgusting all the time.
32:52
[laughs] That's where, that's where the- Like, I, I totally forget that. And so we just, one thing that's great about living in Fairbanks, other than overflow, is we don't deal with wetness at all.
33:02
Um, and so that makes it quite a bit easier to stay warm, I think. So it's a dry- Yeah. Well, it's- It's a dry cold there. [laughs] It's, it's a, it's a dry cold. It is. I mean, it- Yeah... it doesn't make a difference.
33:14
We have a very wet cold here. And, uh, do, what do you know about El Niño? 'Cause we're supposed to get, like- I know El Niño... we're supposed to get the most wicked El Niño this year.
33:23
It's supposed to be 1997 all over again. I just know it's Mexican for "the brother." [laughs] That's all I know. It means the ba- the baby. The baby. The baby. So it's a, it's a- The baby...
33:32
it's a warm ocean current that causes- It is... it, it causes wacky weather. And in the Midwest, it means we're gonna get snow and 70-degree weather- Yeah... in syncopated rhythm. Yeah. Yeah, I get it.
33:46
I think that's the thing now. Just like being on the front range. [laughs] << Son of a rhythm nation. >> [laughs] Uh-oh. I said...
33:54
[laughs] Well, can I- But I know we're supposed to get, we're supposed to get a real mild winter here 'cause of that. We had a, we, especially down in South Central Alaska, the last couple years have been really weird.
34:03
Um, all that jet stream. You guys are getting all your polar vortexes and stuff like that. Um, yeah, yeah, I guess we'll see what happens this winter.
34:11
So far we've got, we've had snow on the ground for, on Friday it'll be three weeks we've had a snow pack, so, um, winter started early here. But, uh- Well, cool...
34:20
it always, usually that El Niño gives us really warm weather, 'cause it shoots the jet stream up right from Hawaii. So we get these things called the Pineapple Express, and air comes over- Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
34:29
I've had some of that before, man. Oh, sorry. [laughs] What, man? Probably not, probably, probably, probably not the same thing. [laughs] I- Pro- probably named after the same phenomenon, though...
34:43
I have no idea what's going on. [laughs] Well, uh- Yeah... Sven over there, he's, he's, uh, he shot some lovely pictures of the brakes that you'll be testing, the Revere MT1s. The only- Not, are you sure it's not Reaver?
34:55
[laughs] It's not Reaver. It's a little, sorry, I got- Well, I just touched on-... Red Hot Chili Pepper... Chewy's, Chewy's son, Tanner, told me he's, he's the product manager for these brakes. Chewy's son. Chewy's son.
35:07
Credibility just went way down right there. [laughs] I just said, I, yeah, I have to name drop whenever I can for Chewy. Kevin Breidenbach. Kevin Breidenbach. My friend, Kevin Breidenbach.
35:19
Um, so- Are you guys still Gomez? Yeah, Gomez, he's my friend. Yeah. Anyway, he's got a great beard. [laughs] That's usually what I say. We've, we've got, we've got that on tape now, just so you know. Oh, nice.
35:28
All right. We can play that. It's gonna be Gomez's ringtone. So I'll, uh- It's gonna be Gomez's... [laughs] It's my alarm. I wake up every morning. "I have a friend. He lives 3,000 miles away."
35:40
Did you see that- "It's usually below zero there all the time"... that Troy Aikman ad where he's like, "I'm still stuck on gas." [laughs] He's, his ringtone's, like, something famous part of his career.
35:50
He's in a- He's, he's in, like, a... Oh, it's great. It's great. It's, it's Uncle, it's Uncle Rico from Napoleon Dynamite. Oh, is that when he, like, does that, where he palms the 12-pack? Yeah, maybe. It could be.
36:01
[laughs] I may, I may have missed that detail. Like a football to the mountains. [gasps] Yeah. So- Yeah, except when Chuck Norris is there.
36:08
So Kevin, we're gonna be sending this, sending you out some brakes, and, uh, working with Eric Parsons out there at, uh, Revelate Designs to get you all squared away.
36:17
Are you, uh, are you thinking that you're gonna make it down to Anchorage for the fabulous expo, sign some autographs? Kiss some babies Yeah, I am gonna be down for the expo.
36:27
That's like the big happening thing up here this winter, so that'll be fun to look forward to. Hear, hear. Are you, are you fine gentlemen gonna... You're gonna, you're gonna be there, right?
36:35
'Cause you're there for the ITI, too. Well, Mr.- We're trying... Mr. Sven is supposed to, is, is supposed to fill that role this year 'cause, you know, I get to go to, I got to go the last two years.
36:45
I'm, I'm a, I'm afeared of losing my toes. [laughs] You just tell him it's gonna be fine. He, uh, he- Anchorage is a coastal climate. You'll be fine. I got it. It's gonna be beautiful.
36:55
So are you gonna be doing any, uh, any guiding or anything for the expo? Yeah, that's the plan.
37:01
So there's, there's kind of a couple things going on for the expo, you know, just trying to get a bunch of vendors together down there in Anchorage. Um, and, uh- Vendors on benders... we'll do the expo.
37:11
[laughs] What's that? Vendors on benders. That's my favorite way to go to a trade show. [laughs] It's standard operating procedure. I don't know, you know, I... No, no vision like blurry vision.
37:22
It's uh- But, uh, and so the, you know, there'll, there'll be the drinking and the expo, and then there's a big fat ride, um, that's happening in Anchorage. Right.
37:30
And I think we're trying to get together, you know, 1,000 or so hooligans to go ride around Anchorage. And then, um, the day of the ITI, the Iditarod starts about an hour kind of outside of Anchorage. Mm-hmm.
37:44
And so, um, plan is I was gonna do a little, guide a little tour along the Iditarod Trail out to Flathorn Lake and maybe have some beer and food out there and sit and hopefully watch all the racers go by and, uh- Oh, goodness, that sounds lovely...
37:57
then head on back. It's kind of a cool little destination. And so- Wow... hopefully weather, hopefully, weather permitting, all will go well. Does
38:04
do every participant in that ride, do th- do they get, like, a lei of flowers and? Well, yeah, the participants like ribbons. [laughs] Oh, wait, that's, that's Hawaii. You guys are Alaska.
38:16
That's, you're the f- you're the 50th state. That's... Or are you the 49th or the 50th? 49th. We're the, oh no, we're the 49th state. We're the 49th, huh? All right. 50th state. Please. Sorry. [laughs] No, no, no.
38:29
We actually have a great, we have a great brewery up here in Healy called 49th State Brewery, so if you guys are up in, uh, um... They make fantastic beer, so that's a great way to remember we're the 49th state.
38:39
All right. Uh, well- Um, and I don't think, I don't think there'll be, I don't think you guys are gonna get lei'd at all. Um- [laughs] But, uh, [laughs] you know. Wow.
38:48
Maybe, maybe, maybe I could make a bed of, like, a bed of, you know, spruce boughs for you guys. All right. Spruce boughs. We could snuggle. [laughs] We got that on tape, too.
39:00
Well, Kevin, I think we should probably let you get back to the, uh, herding of the muskox or, uh, what are- Thanks... what, what else, what other, uh, what other things sound really Fairbanksian?
39:13
You know, I, I live next to a, we have a 40-acre parcel right next to us- Mm-hmm...
39:17
and our friend George, who has 30 head of reindeer, is looking at buying that, so we'll have a, we'll, we'll actually have a reindeer farm right next to us. So I think that's Fairbanks enough. Killer. Maybe. Yeah.
39:28
Reindeer and vapor barriers. This is Fairbanks, folks. Reindeer, yes. Remember those two things. Reindeer sausage and vapor barrier, you can go a long, long way, and that's no joke. [laughs] So. Well, killer.
39:39
Thanks for coming on the show. We appreciate it. And, uh, we'll be talking again soon, man. Yeah, sounds good. Thanks for the call, guys, or no, thanks for letting me call you. That's right. Yeah, yeah.
39:49
Thanks for putting it on your dime. [laughs] Yeah. [laughs] We'll, we'll, we'll, we'll see you guys up here in a couple months. Sounds good, man. That'll be fun. Later on. All right, bye. Hey, Kevin Breitenbach.
40:02
Well, that was a great conversation. Yeah, that was, uh, that... He's a good guest. He's a good guy. All right. Well, you know what? We've, uh, we've had a couple other people waiting around for a while- Oh, yeah.
40:14
Thanks, Kevin... while we talked to, uh, Mr. Kevin, and here's the thing, [laughs] uh, I didn't know they were there until I refreshed the screen. No, dear. So now- You're kidding me...
40:21
we have one of our faithful fatbike.com radio listeners who's, uh- Woo!... who's on the line. [laughs] How's it going, fellas? This is Mark Petersen. There he is.
40:33
I thought that was your number, but I've made the wrong call so many times, I'm like, "Hey, ladies and gentlemen, it's Mark Petersen." They're like, "No, it's, uh, it's Bob from, uh, Sacramento."
40:41
[laughs] The one and only Mark Petersen. Right on, Mark Petersen. How are you, bro? Yeah. How you guys doing, man? Doing well. Just, uh, I, you must have listened to some of that Kevin Breitenbach banter.
40:52
I actually was loving it. Yeah. He's, uh, he, he's obviously a very well-read individual 'cause he can keep up with our lunacity. [laughs] Did you, did you spray your feet with antiperspirant yet?
41:02
[laughs] 'Cause if I listened to that, I would be like, "Dude, I gotta try that." Ah. No, wait. I, I don't, I use the roll-on, not the spray-on. Oh, I use spray. I use the baby powder.
41:13
I use the baby- That's what I already do- I do... in my commuter life. Ah. So what's, what's your, uh, your balm of, uh, choice?
41:21
Well, um, no, I, as far as the neoprene over the top of the, uh, toe box and all those kinds of things, that kind of stuff we've been doing it for a long time around here, but I, I may have come into the conversation halfway through and I don't know what's going on.
41:33
Yeah, you, you, you did, but I think it's a, it's a reiterate, reiterating a point here is that, uh- Be-... you know, that toe box area is really where, you know, even,
41:43
even if you only have high humidity and only 10 below, or it's 40 below and low humidity, any of these things, that same area is your problem area, and that, however you find, I think, in your local area that works, that's sweet.
41:52
So. Do you have hair on your toes, Mark? [laughs] I, I, I, I actually have a beard that runs all the way across the top of my feet. No, I'm just kidding. I like it. Toe beard. This is a- I-... this is a great product.
42:04
I think it's, it's- I actually, I actually have hair on my toes. Oh. Yeah, knuckles. Moses supposed- Knuckles, too. I, I mean, uh- Moses supposed his toes is are roses- Just toes at first, knuckles...
42:15
as Moses supposed zeroniously. If Moses supposed his toes are roses, then Moses supposed zeroniously. Dude. Wow. [laughs] And my toes are commando, if you know what I'm saying. All right. Anyway. All right.
42:25
So, uh, Mark- [laughs]... Mark called in not to be berated by toe-... police, but to, uh- So tell us, Shadow... to talk about his, uh, he, what, tell us about the event that you are telling us about.
42:37
Well, I, I really wanted to do this here just because there's a history of stuff, right? Um, Global Fat Bike Day kicked off basically three years ago. Um, it was the first I became aware of it.
42:50
I became a- aware of it through you guys' website, and then so I decided to throw my own local event, like everyone should do out there. Hallelujah. [laughs] And, uh, the first event there were, like, seven people.
43:02
Big deal. But it was fun, man. I was looking for other people that did what I did.
43:07
The next year I thought, "Well, let's try to step this up a little bit more," and I contacted several bike shops and we got, uh, you know, a bunch of people out there with demo bikes.
43:17
So it wasn't just for the people that had bikes that showed up.
43:21
Everyone else could start trying it, and we got a crowd of about 60 to 65 people, which was a huge growth, but at the same time it was super fun and we were partying and barbecuing, and everything was great.
43:34
I had a great time. So of course, the year after that I wanna ramp it up even more. I'm thinking more would be funner, right? Turn it up to 11. Yes.
43:43
So, um, I went more, and we got a lot more people and a lot more sponsors and a lot more vendors and a lot more complications and logistics and headaches and things- [laughs]...
43:57
that I was the only person that was, like, fielding this stuff and taking care of it literally on-site the day of. Mm-hmm. And it made me crazy.
44:07
It broke my mind for a little bit, but I swore I would never do anything like that ever again. Until now. Until now. [laughs] Some days. Some days, some days.
44:21
Over the last year, um, I've had a lot of feedback from people that said that that was really cool.
44:27
You don't get to see, you know, different bike shops side by side at the same events and demoing their equipment for free. You just don't see that. It's usually individual events and it's usually not an amateur event.
44:43
Right. It's not- And- In general, it's not consumer-really targeted. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Yeah. Or end user-targeted. It's usually dealer-targeted. Exactly.
44:53
And I had so many people that, that were in the public, because the population of fat bikes in Ogden, Utah, and Utah in general just exploded. It went through the roof.
45:02
It went from me knowing, like, seven other people that even had one to, you know, literally I have thousands of friends that are basically local. Yeah. Well, not thousands. You know- Uh, it's, like, 300-some...
45:14
the same thing happened, the same thing happened in Illinois. [laughs] Yeah. Yeah, it happened, yep, happened all over. It's the same story for everyone. Yep. I think in Ohio, too.
45:24
Does that round on both ends and high in the middle? [laughs] Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. D- And, and the other thing I was just about to say was you're welcome. But go ahead. Well, thank you. [laughs] Thank you.
45:35
Uh, absolutely. Like, all of this, none of the things that I've done would have ever have happened if it wasn't for fatbike.com. Oh, pish posh. Oh, pish posh.
45:45
[laughs] I'm telling you, I'm telling you, there, there's been stuff- How much money did we send him? [laughs] Of course. When we sent him.
45:51
But it all really comes down to you guys inspiring people all over the world, and I'm truly grateful for what you guys do. Thank you so much.
45:58
Well, you're, you've got, you know, you've got a fantastic Facebook following and you, [laughs] you post some very interesting, uh, fat bike photos. [laughs] Yeah.
46:07
And, uh, they're always entertaining, so I mean, you're, uh, uh, frankly, I'm not a, I'm not a Facebook, like, celebrity like you are. That's fantastic. I know. Everybody knows Mark Peterson and that beard.
46:17
Oh, my beard is- And that, and it's the- Sort of... it's the whole- Sort of accident and sort of planned. Have we sent you any of our, uh, Sven and Gomez's beard oil products? [laughs] Yes. Have you? Have y'all?
46:30
'Cause your beard is just fantastic. It's huge. Oh, it's... Thank you. Thank you. We're, we're all, uh, we're, we're back into the beards and beer segment of the show. You, you will grow a beard, right? Oh, yeah.
46:41
It's beards and beer is coming back here, uh- Are you familiar with- Well, at least beards... Dollar Beard Club? Oh my God. You gotta- Oh my God. [laughs] You gotta check out Dollar Beard Club, dude.
46:51
They have the funniest damn videos about being a man and- [laughs] Oh... and there are swear words in there and stuff. It's so funny.
46:59
Well, let's, uh, let's get Mark just to l- line us up with what's, what's on tap for this year, because, uh- Yeah, what's the, what's the nature of this thing?
47:05
Not only are we getting close to the top of the hour- This whole thing started in 2019- But we got other callers, so let's find out what's up... and I wanted to do it again, and now I'm gonna go bigger than ever.
47:11
Bigger than ever. I'm busted off personally, but I'm healing and it's making me crazy, so the only way I can get rad is by creating events, not jumping off of stuff. All right.
47:21
So I've decided to go that direction for the time being. Cool.
47:25
The, the whole idea was to do what sort of accidentally happened last year at Global Fat Bike Day and, but make it more competent with a better infrastructure and more people i- in control, and to be able to have a much better event.
47:43
One of the things that we've been running into on Global Fat Bike Day is w- two out of the three years they've been brown years. There's been no snow. Yeah. And- Been there...
47:52
that's frustrating, so I wanted to sink it deeper into winter. And then I also wanted to move it closer to the freaking snow, so I wanted to find a ski resort that would host. Mm-hmm.
48:03
And so I found a ski resort that would host, but I needed a ski resort that was willing to do the crazy shit that I really wanted to do, and I knew that all the big boys around here weren't gonna be able to deal with that.
48:17
So I went and found the most hometown local ski resort that I could think of, the last bastion of that old style homeschool ski kind of place-... Nordic Valley. Mm-hmm. And they're all on board.
48:34
And I said, "Well, I wanna do some crazy, crazy things. I wanna have a regular cross-country or XC race, I guess." Mm-hmm. And they said, "Absolutely."
48:44
And so I got ahold of my buddy Randall, Randall Gibb at Mad Dog Cycle, who's been running the Frosty, uh, Fat Bike Race Series here in, uh, Utah for about two years. Mm-hmm.
48:53
And he had a gap in his w- window where he didn't have a venue for one of his races, and guess where it hit perfectly? Nice. Right on the date that I wanted to have.
49:02
So I was like, "Dude, would you consider having your racing event at my demo event so that we can have multiple interests going on?" He said, "Absolutely." Little crossover action. So- So- Exactly, exactly...
49:15
are you gonna tell us the name of the event? [laughs] It's F-BOB. What's it called? F-BOB. F-BOB. F-BOB? F- It's an acronym... B-O-B.
49:25
And, uh, it's kind of dorky, but I thought about it, and thought about it, and thought about it, and the acronym became more important to me than what I was saying. F-BOB. And so it's Fat Bike Ogden Buffet.
49:37
Oh, Fat Bike Ogden Buffet, F-BOB. Just you needed something that made the fa- the F- F-BOB- I noticed, I- [laughs]
49:46
We monitor our three listeners, and two of them were starting to, starting to press their disapprove button repeatedly. Thank, thank God we got the name out. They're, they're calm now, I think we darted them.
49:57
So can you tell us the date? Well, you, you, you tell me- Can you tell us the- You tell me what I need to say, and I will say it. [laughs] How about I, how about I- Can I say Sven and Gomez are the best?
50:08
[laughs] No, tell us, tell us the date of, of your event, F-BOB. It's January 23rd. January 23rd. Okay. Awesome.
50:18
And, and does that- Sounds like I should know that for some reason, like it's my daughter's birthday or something. [laughs] It is. Today is the 23rd.
50:26
Does that coincide with Worlds at all, or are you completely independent from... Oh, not Worlds, uh, not with US, with the USA Cycling, US National Fat Bike Champions. ships. ships. In the night. Yes.
50:42
Are, are, are we in league with our racing series? Is that what you're saying? No, no, no, no, is it the same date? Is it the same weekend? Uh, I don't know. I, I haven't synced it up with your message yet.
50:50
Can I swing with my USA Cycling friends and then come see you? I haven't figured out everything else. Oh, you, so, oh, we just don't know.
50:56
We'll definitely wanna get a story up about it, so get us, uh, specifics and dates and, uh, fancy graphics and all that stuff. Well, uh, I can do that. Yeah, yeah, a race flyer, dude... people will just have to come.
51:05
Okay, so we wanted to do something that no one had ever done on a ski resort. People don't use ski resorts in America for fat biking, for the most part, unless they're doing a bootleg, right?
51:15
Uh, I ran a race at a ski resort four years ago, [laughs] dude. Yeah, that was a good one. No, I mean down, down the ski run? Yeah. Top to bottom. All over it. Fuck yeah. Yeah, pretty much.
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Yeah, we had to have elevation change. Fuck yeah. Really? Yeah, the Midwest is progressive that way. [laughs] Well, hopefully we- But that's all right. But that's all right...
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we've struck a way- But no, this is a good thing. This is a validated thing. Yeah, but you're doing it with, with mostly snow. We did it at the- Right... very end of the year where there was partial snow- So much snow...
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partial dirt- Yeah... and, like, two- A lot of mud... two inches of mud over railroad gravel, that gravel, it was- Grr... it was- Sure, sure... it was dirty. Girls, girls- So here's the plan... girls mud wrestling.
51:54
Yes, it is girls wrestling. So we have an event that is part of the series. Girls mud wrestling. All right, Mark's trying to talk to you guys. Shut the fuck up.
52:00
There's gonna be dual slalom races side by side on- Uh-huh... the ski slope. Uh-huh.
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And then under the lights, one, one, it turns into nighttime and the lights come on, we will do a mass start kamikaze fat bike downhill from the top of the ski resort to the bottom.
52:14
Wow, I don't think that's ever been done. Would that work for you? I've seen it, I've seen it done- That sounds pretty good... I've seen it done with regular mountain bikes in Europe, but not with fat bikes.
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In Europe, but not in America. Right. Sounds good. And that's what I'm going for. All right. Maybe some fancy European swimwear would make that race- Well-... just, uh, good- Provocative European... good for, [laughs]
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good for television. Provocative European swimwear. Absolutely. So that's F-BOB on January, what's the date, January? 23rd. January 23rd- January 23rd- 23rd... 2016-... Nordic Valley... in Ogden, Utah.
52:48
Do you have a website or anything, Mark? Um, I would just like to direct people to, uh, you guys and the, just the event on Facebook. I, there's- All right. Yeah, if they need to find me, find me. We'll make it happen.
53:01
If you're coming out this way, come be part of this. It's gonna go off the hook. It's gonna be amazing to see 100 dudes out of their minds dropping a ski hill all at once.
53:12
That sounds like something that needs a videotape recorder running up in there. Yeah, I'm gonna plan on that. You should probably talk to, uh, your buddy Preston. And you should probably invite some chicks too.
53:22
You can't just have 100 dudes. Yeah, yeah, there, there will probably be some chicks. But the, the hardcore thing is, is I've had a lot of interest from fat boys. [laughs] Yup.
53:32
And whatever you do, do not put bikini-clad girls on socks for the event. [laughs] I think you're off, I think your train is off the rail over here, sir. [laughs] Oh, my God.
53:44
Hey, Mark- So we, we have actually other callers. Yeah, we gotta go, but, uh, appreciate- Hey, thank you for calling... you calling in, man. Anytime, call in.
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We know you're, uh, not only a big supporter, but we're big fans, so, uh, have a good one. Oh, appreciate it. Love you guys. All right, brother. And thank you for having me. Have a great night. 10-4. We'll see ya. Later.
54:01
You're tuned to Fat Bike Radio. And now on this television show, we have... Are we still on the television show? [laughs] Hey, welcome to our new radio program that started at the top of the hour.
54:17
Who do we have on the line? We've been here with you all night. It's Trevor from California. What's up, dude? Hi. Hey, Trevor. Man, you've been hanging out- Yeah... for a long time.
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He's been, he's been sucking in the, the good part of the Kevin Bridenback thing, listening to Mark. Now, now it's his turn. So question of the week, Trevor? I'll have to make my way out to Utah for that one. Yeah.
54:37
Jesus. [laughs]So, so did you put that thing away? [laughs] I just got told to put my knife away. Put your knife away, you daft bastard.
54:53
[laughs] Let's see what Trevor got called into. Now- I know. Now we're just out of control. [laughs] Oh my God. I was just asking Trevor- That's not a knife... if it [laughs] Yeah, that's not my knife.
55:04
That's not a knife. If he had called in to answer- That's not a knife... answer the question of the week. We had a question of the week? Yeah, I think it's, like, flats or clipless, and why? [laughs] Why, Terry, why?
55:16
Why? In winter or something? Yeah, yeah. Trevor, what say you? Well, I live in California, so we don't have a winter here. You can drive to winter, though. It's not that far away. Up there, Tahoe way or something or-
55:28
It's not... can you go up to the top of Mount Shasta or something cool like that? I've tried to. I still don't know. It's not winter yet. Cool. We still got 97 degrees out. Oh, that sounds pretty nice.
55:41
That's pretty warm. Yeah. So, uh, sandals or barefoot? [laughs] Cli- clipless sandals or barefoot? What's better than a brush fire? Flat pedals or clipless? I don't know. Flat pedals all the way. There you go.
55:57
Do you have the question for the doctor, the fat bike doctor, Mr. Sven Hammer? I sure did. I'm having a lot of issues with my, uh, rear hub getting dried out and just getting all clanky.
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What, uh- Any suggestions on a good rear hub? Is it a sta- is it, like, a 10 speed? What's the width? 135, 170, 190, 197, 177, 142? 148. It's a 170. Okay. It's a 170. Okay. Lot of choices in there.
56:26
Are you- It came on the Farley... are you dropping some jing on this, or do you just want something serviceable and, uh, not super expensive? I just want something I don't have to rebuild every time I go in the sand.
56:39
That's a value proposition [laughs] right there, 'cause it's like- [laughs] I, I'll tell you what I did on my Moonlander, is I went from the Shimano XT that I burned up in six months to a Hope FatSnow, and that hub
56:57
is still going today. It is serviceable and easily serviceable. Yeah. That's the good thing about Hope, is they're not ridiculously expensive and they're serviceable. DT Swiss has a- I love DT-... great reputation for,
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for quality and for serviceability Well, their, their, uh, ratchet mechanism is completely different than anyone else's. It's a lot more simple.
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And I think for kind of extreme conditions, it's awesome, but it's not cheap. Yeah. You're pa- you, you know, you- True...
57:30
you're, like, instead of buying one hub every six months or every year, like, an XT's a decent hub, but you're gonna buy one every six months to a year.
57:38
Uh, you might last, uh, three or four years with your Hope or your... So it's a value thing, you know? I would say there's tons of good hubs, but- I say there's nothing too good for Trevor.
57:49
He should spend the extra money. Buy the best. But I would, you know, for, for the extreme stuff, for sand and crappy conditions, I don't know if I'd go with something that's, like, finely tuned- Right...
57:58
like an I, an i9 hub, which is awesome for trail, but it's got a lot of little tiny parts in there. True enough. So maybe a Buick type thing.
58:05
Yeah, I'm riding through a lot of crap, like a lot of, a lot of lake bed 'cause our lakes are starting to dry up, which is awesome for us, but- Yeah I think Hope. I'm on Hope. I'm gonna go vote for Hope on this question.
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[laughs] That's what I did. I actually spent real money, money of my own, on that Hope hub. So that's, that's what I, that's what I did, and that is my vote. Now, money is no object, I may give you another choice. Right.
58:30
But that's a good value proposition right there, for sure. Money no object, Phil Wood. I love- Paul-... the freaking Onyx... Paul Components, Onyx i9, but not for, i9 for- Yeah, Paul either, 'cause he uses an i9 body.
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Really? He uses an i9 body, huh? So those are great. Great, 'cause they're really quick engagement, but they're I think more for trail stuff, personally.
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And as far as, you know, knowing- I use mine as a year-round bike, so it goes through anything. There's a lot of good ones out there. Those are some of them. Indeed. So, uh,
59:05
anything else that you'd like to, uh, rattle our brain around? Not that I can think of. My buddy Brad called you here last week, so I decided to give you a call in today. Well- Oh, cool. Yeah.
59:15
You're, you're Brad Boston's bud. Nice. Yeah. Yeah. The, the Sacramento fat bike community has expanded to two now. You guys, uh- Yeah... you guys gotta have a party or something. Get a keg. Global Fat Bike Day.
59:29
Global Fat Bike Day. Don't forget to do it on that day. Yeah. I'm gonna try and get a bunch of guys to go out to Tahoe on Fat Bike Day and slide around the beach around there.
59:36
If we ever get any snow, we'll try to hit the mountain up. Killer, man. That would be, uh, that would be cool. Fat bike on Flume Trail would be s- pretty sweet.
59:46
That seven-mile [laughs] climb might be kinda hard, but that sure is beautiful up there. All right. Well, let's, uh, let's get this show on the road, as they say. And, uh- All right. Let's-...
59:56
Trevor, give us a shout anytime, man. Thanks for calling. Cool. Thanks, guys. See ya. Oh, my screen is not black anymore. It came back on. So yeah, good conversations there. Indeed. You know- Did we ever take a break?
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I don't think we took a break. No. Yeah. There's a quick break here. Yeah.
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Let's just take a break real quick, and, uh, we'll finish this thing off with n- [laughs] no introduc- [laughs] no interruptions from our listening audience. [laughs] Come on back for the Fatty Farm Field Report.
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Radio. And we're back. Jake, hey, what is next week's call-in question? What holiday traditions should be instituted for Global Fat Bike Day?
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Call in next week Wednesday from 8:00 to 9:00 Central Standard Time to 818-918-2453 and let us discuss it live. Let's discuss it live right now- Yeah... just for a real- Yeah... quick question.
1:01:44
'Cause that, that sounds like a question Gomez would have done. Uh, it's one of my questions. Yeah. That sounds like a Gomez question. So- Makes you think. It's like- "Oh, man, I gotta think now. I did that right, man."
1:01:53
Every holiday has weird traditions, and it- it's, it's, and I'm, so I'm, I'm a United Statesian, so I'll tell you about a few traditions that... Like Easter, we have chocolate bunnies that you bite the heads off.
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Arbor Day, you plant a tree. [laughs] And you bite its head off. [laughs] Uh, you bite its head off. [laughs] Fourth of July, we shoot off fireworks- And bite the heads off... and bite the heads off.
1:02:17
Um, Thanksgiving, we- Turkey... eat turkey. Bite its head off. Bite its head off. [laughs] And- So-... Christmas or- So the Global Fat Bike tradition should be bite its head off, obviously.
1:02:29
[laughs] Well, we talked about, you know, the, the derby could be a tradition. The passing of the endo. You know, we all, like, the long beards all have stacks of steel-beaded endos in our garage.
1:02:41
We should get a pair that are still rideable and hand them off to a new rider so that they can experience the riding of the endo. So- Something like that...
1:02:51
nobody's gonna have a better answer than that, so what, what, now what's our new call-in question [laughs] for next week? [laughs] No, th- th- there could be plenty- [laughs]... of other silly things.
1:03:00
Like, and what else should we, like, Global Fat Bike Day, maybe we all have tacos. Maybe. I don't know. Well, that's the question for the next, uh, next week.
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What holiday tradition should we institute for Global Fat Bike Day? Indeed, and that brings us- And it's not us instituting it... or what trad- or just what you did on Global Fat Bike Day.
1:03:15
You know, tradition is w- ha- normally... that you have done, done, so now it's tradition. Yeah. You done it more than once, tradition. Well, this will be- Tradition... I think the, the- Tradition... third year, right?
1:03:26
[sings] Da, da, da, da So maybe we can draw upon the first two years' experiences. Like, I know both, both, uh, years that maybe- We gotta go back, Marty. [laughs] Is this the third or fourth year? Do you think?
1:03:42
It's the 30th anniversary of- [laughs]... Back to the Future II, Marty. I think. [laughs] Or something. [laughs] Well, that brings us right into this week's Fatty Farm Field Report.
1:03:56
This week's Fatty Farm Field Report is sponsored by Uncle Nick's Bead Slip. Check them out at uncledicksbikeshop.com. Uncle Dick couldn't be here this week, but- So we're, so we're Dickless again...
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the, uh, Ken Blakey Shell, our, uh, columnist up there in Manistee, he was telling me he wanted to get some bead slip to work on these carbon fan rims, the hundreds.
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It's a double wall rim, and he's like, "Well, you know, I really wanted to be able to get that tire on there without really horsing on that inner wall of the carbon rim."
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So another use for Uncle Dick's, when you wanna take good care of those inner walls of your, uh, light Chinese carbon rims that you're a little worried about putting old Big Brother on. Ka, ka, pow.
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You know what I'm saying? No. So, uh, if you're a 22 Cycles owner out there, you might have heard rumors about their demise, their going out of business. I heard a rumor, so I followed up on it. And, uh,
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I got a answer back from Aaron Dallas, and he said, "At the moment, 22 Cycles is in limbo. The path will reveal itself shortly. Stay tuned." S- sounds a little more positive than- Yeah... they're out of business.
1:05:20
Exactly. So, uh, hang in there. They make great looking bikes. Their website is still up, so you can check that out. And, uh, what have you got coming up next week on the old site there?
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I see, uh, I see something over there, what you can talk about. [laughs] We- [laughs] We still have to talk about this stuff? This was, this was filler material if we didn't have anything- Oh... more interesting.
1:05:45
I don't know. No, uh, no, seriously though. Never mind. Seriously, though. [laughs] Seriously, folks, we, you know, we've got some stuff in the hopper. We've got things going on. We got things in the works.
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But next week, I know, besides we talked about the Revere- Yeah... MTN 1 brakes that we got up to Kevin in, uh, in Alaska. There'll be a first look at those, and then we'll give him some time to check 'em out.
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And then, uh, I just got in a, our, [laughs] our very first e-fat bike. Right. Electric-al fat bike. A Surface 604. Yeah.
1:06:20
And, uh- With sweet racks on it and holy crap, that thing is- Yeah, this is the one we actually saw at Interbike. Right. It was in the booth. He said, "I'll just send you the one we had there."
1:06:31
And it has the prototype racks and the f- fenders and the stuff, so it's like, cool. I'm like, "Yeah, this is gonna be great." And the, the first day I took it out, 40, [laughs] 45 miles.
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[laughs] 40, 45 miles on that thing. Yeah. Uh- Downed by Tour for us. [laughs] Well, yeah. And, and some of it was, I, the bike doesn't ride at all poorly. Just peddling it, it's fine. It's a little bit heavy.
1:06:52
You know, it's got the motor and the battery and it's- Right... 50 pounds-ish. Extra gear. But, you know, really riding with a group of 200 people- It, there was no problem to ride it. Mm.
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And, uh, I used the motor, first of all, in the beginning just for fun. I'm like, "Let's see what this thing does." And, uh, 'cause it's got five different settings and whatever.
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So I'll just, I'm gonna have a first look at it, just some quick initial impressions, but I'm gonna be riding it a lot more because for, like, just r- rolling around town, it's really fun.
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I don't have- You can run errands and taking- Yeah... packages to the- Taking stuff to the post office... to the post office. Mm-hmm...
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and, like, I don't wanna spend an hour and a half in the middle of the day taking a great ride. I just wanna get the stuff there and back. True. And it, it's pretty efficient at that.
1:07:32
Well, here's the thing that, that you could do too, is when we get a big snow storm, you could pull a sled with a bunch of beer in the back- Oh, yeah...
1:07:38
and groom the f- [laughs] I already, I already have some- Groom a single track bed... I already have some Dillinger 5s to put on it. Yeah.
1:07:44
I'm gonna fatten up the footprint for that, and, uh, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm optimistic. I'm m- m- m- m- Yeah. That's, that's what- I'm optimistic. That's a, a grooming machine. Right on.
1:07:56
Speaking of grooming machines, Scott Kliering made that Triple B bike, man, with the, uh, this is the bike that can run the VEE Tire 2XL 5.05, and really, that tire is wider. Yes, it's much wider.
1:08:11
It's even more tall than it is wider than a Bud and Lou, so- Not quite a 36-inch outer diameter like the, you know. Uh, it, it's, like, an inch, over an inch taller than a Bud or, uh, on, on the same width rim.
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So it's, this custom bike really addresses that huge size, and he says the thing is nimble and fast, so. Jack be nimble, Jack be quick. Jack be quick. Jack jump on his Kliering Triple B.
1:08:46
I'm gonna get to ride that in a couple- It's good... of weeks when I go to, uh, Iceman. Cool. Well, we finally got that, uh, got that story up about the, uh, ATM frame bag from Andrew.
1:08:58
Yeah, man, this is JK's, uh, second story on the site, right? Yeah. Yeah. Wanna say a few syllables about it? [laughs] Sing me a song, JK, about the bag.
1:09:14
[laughs] No, no, it was, it was awesome. It was... I, I, I always ride around with a, with a backpack, and e- even if I don't have anything in it, I have a backpack on pretty much. Yeah. Mm-hmm, the turtle shell.
1:09:27
And, you know, it's just like, boom, you know? I've seen you fall into a, into a little river. Oh, yes. And get stuck. [laughs] Yeah, yeah, the little tributary, and I couldn't get up. [laughs] Yeah.
1:09:37
Oh, that was the worst. [laughs] Your shell was filling up with water. Glub, glub, glub, glub, glub. Yes. Oh, yes. And that's when I learned about the magic of koozies. But [laughs] um, where the hell was I?
1:09:55
[laughs] Diverging from the conversation. Oh, of course. Andrew. Which is about the damn frame bag. Andrew that, that made the frame bag. Yes. He's a good dude. Yeah.
1:10:04
Um, and it just, you know, moving that which I'm, like, carrying around in the back to the front or to the crotch, essentially. [laughs] So- And taking the weight off your back... I don't know how to do that.
1:10:15
[laughs] That's your bike's name, The Crotch? [laughs] Well, yeah. Actually, oh, that was my pa- my single speed, Bacon Crotch. Bacon Crotch. That was- Very nice... one year. [laughs] Yeah.
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So you can see all of JK's many, many thoughts on this bag- Rambling at the old... [laughs] That's, uh, fatbike.com. That's where that is. Yeah. It's a pretty kick-ass looking bag. I, I'm jealous. It's awesome.
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It, it, it's filling every need I need- Killer, man... for that. So give Andy a call. Have him, uh, make you a bag. He'll rock your world in more ways than one.
1:10:51
Speaking of rocking your world, what about Chris Daisy's basement? Aha, Chris Daisy's basement. Hey, we talked, uh, we talked to Chris today, and he has new music.
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So our holiday special is gonna be taped in Chris Daisy's basement, much like last year. And, uh, Smooth Evil is gonna play live, and, uh, there'll be all kinds of hijinks.
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We're gonna try and get some of our Bike Black Ribbon test pilots there. We're gonna have, uh, fireworks and booze, and God knows what. Maybe we'll- That's another band.
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[laughs] Maybe we'll try and get some sort of evangelist or Miss- Yeah, just to- Or Miss, you know, or we'll get- To even the scales.
1:11:35
[laughs] Or we'll get Miss Kenosha County or something to show up, to give Seth a bouquet. Again? We've, we had her, we had her at the- [laughs]... four years ago. We terror- we terrorized poor Miss Kenosha County.
1:11:46
Yeah, four, that was, that was, like, four years ago. [laughs] Okay, thank you. Or will, or will be four years. Well, yeah, it'll be like the Olympics- Um-... every four years.
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[laughs] And then, and then there was another young bikini-clad lady who took the role on swimmingly. Indeed. Anyway, let's get through this thing. [laughs] Hey, we got links.
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You know, they're, I, I only have- And, and plus- I only have one link that I'd like to bring up. It was just, it's the one that says, "Ride bikes, travel, do good, the bicycle travel merit badge." Oh, yeah.
1:12:17
The, uh, folks at Path Less Pedaled came up with this great patch. They're taking nominations for people that ride bikes, travel, and do good. So send them an email. I mean, I, here's, here's my nominations.
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Lael and Nicholas Garman, uh, those two from Anchorage, man, they travel around and ride bikes and always have a smile on their face. So those are my, that's my nomination, but- Yeah... you send yours in, and, uh,
1:12:46
that's, that's that. Cool. Sounds good. I mean, a lot of people are doing, like, some really great rides that they're reporting on now.
1:12:53
There's a couple other links on there from Salsa and from Yonder Journal, but just people doing some really- Great things on fat bikes and getting some awesome pictures, so check those out. Indeed.
1:13:04
Hey, and, and the, uh, there's this thing with the wheel size dissected and explained. That's pretty interesting. Plus bike, plus Bike Wise. Yeah, indeed. It, it covers a lot of stuff.
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But, uh, the time has come for us to thank Surly once again for sponsoring the radio portion of today's broadcast. And the extra few minutes at the end as well. Indeed.
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You know, they, uh, they really do- They got their money's worth on this one... uh, they really do, uh, you know, support us with, uh, support, and they're very supporting. [laughs] I'm supportive of their support. Yeah.
1:13:40
Join us next week where we ask the question of the week, what is the best holiday traditions we should be instituting for Global Fat Bike Day? [laughs] Plus, you can call in and pimp your local fat bike race.
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Throw down the gauntlet and challenge your friends to come out and join the fun. Be like, "Hey, Smith, I'm gonna race you in, uh, Tusco- Tusco B70, and I, I'm gonna quit before you quit. I'll show you." Yeah.
1:14:09
You can call us at 818-918-2453 anytime day or night. [laughs] Leave us a message about, you know, whatever, whatever challenge you want to lay down. Yeah.
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Don't forget that it's the time of year to post your rides and race gatherings, all your demos, your... anything to do with fat biking. If it has a fat bike contingent or component or whatever- Right...
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we'd like to have a l- a, a listing on the calendar. There'll be a link in the show notes. You can go promote your stuff. Yeah. Now turn off your computer, mount your bicycle, and go do that rad thing.
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